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Trump Administration Whistleblower Cover-Up

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  • Sam
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    Extensive reporting of testimony so far has established that both Ukraine 2016 and Biden/Burisma were demands by Trump -- whether it was coming through Giuliani, Sonderland, Perry, or whoever else. While Mulvaney is smart enough to try and narrow that down to the demand to investigate a conspiracy theory implicating Clinton and Obama in the DNC/DSCC server hacks, he's not smart enough to avoid acknowledging an explicit quid pro quo in public.

    But we're to the point where most Republicans are past denying quid pro quo to saying "Actually, that happened and it's awesome" so the public opinion damage might be mitigated. Confessing to what many judges will still recognize as a crime is gonna do a number on those executive privilege claims, however.

    --Sam

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  • Mountain Man
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    White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney confirmed that President Donald Trump wanted Ukraine to cooperate with an investigation into attempts to meddle in the 2016 election before giving the country lethal military aid.

    “Did he also mention to me in past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely,” Mulvaney said. “No question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”

    Mulvaney said that Trump was concerned about corruption in Ukraine, including its efforts in the 2016 election during a press briefing with reporters on Thursday afternoon.

    “The look-back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation,” Mulvaney said. “And that is absolutely appropriate.”

    Democrats immediately jumped on Mulvaney’s statement, declaring that it was proof that the president had a “quid pro quo” agreement with the foreign aid.

    But Mulvaney said it was a common request.

    “We do that all the time with foreign policy,” he said, referring to requirements for foreign aid before it was released.

    “I have news for everybody, get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy,” Mulvaney said.

    He said that asking Ukraine for help in an investigation into the 2016 election was an ongoing Justice Department investigation and “completely legitimate.”

    He also said that the holdup on delivering aid funds had nothing to do with Ukraine investigating former Vice President Joe Biden.

    “The money that was held up had nothing to do with Biden,” Mulvaney said.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...to-dnc-server/

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Embarrassing Democrats, isn’t a crime Jimmy.
    Have no idea how that relates to anything I said.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    No, actually there is plenty right now, but the dems are going to make sure you get to see it all at the trial so that even you won't be able to deny it any longer, at least not with a staight face. Pelosi knows how divisive the impeachment of a president can be, but if it has to be done to protect the Constitution, the Country, and democracy, protect them from a narcisistic autocrat like a Trump, or a Putin, then she wants the investigation to be complete and thorough before turning the evidence over to the Senate for trial.
    Embarrassing Democrats, isn’t a crime Jimmy.

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  • Sam
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Even Nixon and Clinton were allowed to cross examine their accusers during the House inquiry. Why are today's Democrats operating in the dark? What don't they want us to see?
    Not only did Clinton's lawyers not examine his "accusers" during the House impeachment inquiry & hearing, as far as I can tell they didn't cross examine the House manager's witnesses at the Senate trial. The three witnesses weren't even present; the House managers used their videotaped depositions.

    --Sam

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Even Nixon and Clinton were allowed to cross examine their accusers during the House inquiry. Why are today's Democrats operating in the dark? What don't they want us to see?
    So can Trump, soon as he's on trial.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    “We need to keep digging, till we find something!”
    No, actually there is plenty right now, but the dems are going to make sure you get to see it all at the trial so that even you won't be able to deny it any longer, at least not with a staight face. Pelosi knows how divisive the impeachment of a president can be, but if it has to be done to protect the Constitution, the Country, and democracy, protect them from a narcisistic autocrat like a Trump, or a Putin, then she wants the investigation to be complete and thorough before turning the evidence over to the Senate for trial.

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  • Teallaura
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Isn't that what you keep chickens in?
    Nah, we use a coupe so we have two doors.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    This is an investigation, not a trial. The only way out is to await the trial and rebut the evidence, if you can.
    Even Nixon and Clinton were allowed to cross examine their accusers during the House inquiry. Why are today's Democrats operating in the dark? What don't they want us to see?

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    No, no, Lil - the word is 'coup'.
    Isn't that what you keep chickens in?

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  • Teallaura
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    Originally posted by Sam View Post
    This post is missing its argument, I'm afraid.

    --Sam
    Well, yeah - like most of your posts, that last one was pointless, too.

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  • lilpixieofterror
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    Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Two and a half years, lilpix. There's been a whole lot of obstruction going on by someone.
    “We need to keep digging, till we find something!”

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    4 years later and Democrats are still investigating...
    Two and a half years, lilpix. There's been a whole lot of obstruction going on by someone.

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Nonsense, why haven't they released Volker's testimony with any necessary redactions?
    Why should they? It's not a trial, yet!

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  • JimL
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    Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    1. Grand jury testimony isn’t publicly released in an investigation.
    2. An investigation, by a special counsel, doesn’t follow the same rules as a house impeachment investigation does.

    Keep trying to excuse away whatever the democrats say or do. Reality: democrats are determined to get rid of Trump, no matter what.
    If he's innocent, lilpix, he has noting to fear, heck, even if he's guilty, he's got a favorably biased Senate deciding his fate. What are ya'll worried about?

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