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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    New information indicates that Ukrainian officials were in the process of reopening the investigation into Burisma and its board members, including Hunter Biden, as early as February 2019, before Zelinsky had been elected. If true, this would destroy the entire Democrat narrative.

    This isn't new information; it was widely reported that Giuliani was meeting with and leaning on Lutsenko -- possibly as early as 2017 -- to investigate the Bidens through Burisma Group (in addition to stonewalling the Mueller investigation and allowing Kilimik to flee to Russia) and Zelinskyy shut it down. Which is why Trump is complaining about Zelinskyy's termination of the "prosecutor who was very good" in the July 25 call.

    --Sam
    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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    • Originally posted by Sam View Post
      This isn't new information; it was widely reported that Giuliani was meeting with and leaning on Lutsenko -- possibly as early as 2017 -- to investigate the Bidens through Burisma Group (in addition to stonewalling the Mueller investigation and allowing Kilimik to flee to Russia) and Zelinskyy shut it down. Which is why Trump is complaining about Zelinskyy's termination of the "prosecutor who was very good" in the July 25 call.
      That's a rather... creative... interpretation.

      In fact, Giuliani started investigating independently because he caught wind that Federal prosecutors were stonewalling Ukrainian officials even to the point of ignoring hand delivered evidence. When Ukraine officials made claims in the press that Giuliani was planning to meet with them (it's unclear whether he really was), he immediately backed away because he didn't want his investigation to turn political. Giuliani only reentered the picture after Ukraine officials, thinking they had damaged their US relationship, contacted the State Department who in turn contacted Giuliani. So no "leaning" on anybody. This is something Ukraine officials were already doing before Giuliani even began investigating.

      It's all reported here with on-the-record sources and links to independent coverage in other publications:

      https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...erture-to-rudy

      Ya gotta keep up with the facts, Sam, or you'll fall victim to wild eyed conspiracy theories!
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • In the latest twist, it's being reported that lawyers are fighting to keep the "whistleblower's" identity secret to the point that they are negotiating with the House for him to submit answers anonymously in writing instead of appearing in person to testify.

        It was already ridiculous to think a presidential impeachment, to remove the most powerful elected political representative of The United States, could continue based on an anonymous complaint. However, expecting the same complainant/accuser to remain invisible during the process is so far beyond nonsensical, the light from where nonsense emanates wouldn’t reach this narrative for a year.

        Yes, feel free to pummel the left-wing nuts based on the absurdity of this request. Only the most raving Moonbat imaginable would think they could impeach a sitting U.S. President via a ‘Dear Sir’ complaint letter to congress.

        These are obviously not stable-minded people.

        https://theconservativetreehouse.com...al-appearance/

        If they can railroad the highest elected official in the United States with a secret legal proceeding where he doesn't even get to learn the identity of his accuser, then what's to stop them from doing it to you?
        Last edited by Mountain Man; 10-11-2019, 08:46 AM.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          If they can railroad the highest elected official in the United States with a secret legal proceeding where he doesn't even get to learn the identity of his accuser, then what's to stop them from doing it to you?
          Full on Star Chamber!
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          • You're only objecting to secret witnesses testifying against you because you have something to hide!
            ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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            • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
              You're only objecting to secret witnesses testifying against you because you have something to hide!
              The cops called, something about an anonymous witness telling them about what's under your bed and you need to report to Sing Sing on Monday...
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              • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                The cops called, something about an anonymous witness telling them about what's under your bed and you need to report to Sing Sing on Monday...
                You’re telling him the charges? You’re too kind. I thought we only told the charges during the trial.
                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                • Folks have to be aware, at this point, that the whistleblower isn't someone saying that Trump confessed to them in secret: there are named witnesses, there are documents, there are discernible facts (did the Trump administration misuse the NSC code word server or not?). The whistleblower's identity is known to the ICIG.

                  You can't construct a sensible narrative where this is some cloak and dagger attempt to smear Trump with an anonymous, unfalsifiable source. It's simply bogus.

                  --Sam
                  "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                  • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                    Folks have to be aware, at this point, that the whistleblower isn't someone saying that Trump confessed to them in secret: there are named witnesses, there are documents, there are discernible facts (did the Trump administration misuse the NSC code word server or not?). The whistleblower's identity is known to the ICIG.

                    You can't construct a sensible narrative where this is some cloak and dagger attempt to smear Trump with an anonymous, unfalsifiable source. It's simply bogus.

                    --Sam
                    Than why do we not know the name of the whistleblower and why are proceedings happening behind closed doors, without a vote on the house floor? Your apologetics, for Democrats, is truly touching.
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • Well done Marie Yovanovitch. Pompeo proves what a low life he is.
                      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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                      • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                        Than why do we not know the name of the whistleblower and why are proceedings happening behind closed doors, without a vote on the house floor? Your apologetics, for Democrats, is truly touching.
                        Maybe if you find yourself on the side of the President who calls the whistleblower a "spy" and has already launched numerous retaliatory campaigns against career officials who have had a part in uncovering his corrupt acts and you don't think this whistleblower has a legitimate reason to remain anonymous to the President ... well, then you have to ask yourself "Are we the baddies?"

                        --Sam
                        "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                        • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                          Than why do we not know the name of the whistleblower and why are proceedings happening behind closed doors, without a vote on the house floor? Your apologetics, for Democrats, is truly touching.
                          Whistleblowers aren't named in order that they be protected from retaliation, not to mention from whack jobs like many Trump supporters. Whistleblowers simply give the evidence to the IG who himself determines the necessity of the need to investigate, which he does. It is the IG, not the whistlblower, who, finding the info evidential, turns it over to Congress, not the whistleblower. And the vote on the floor will come when the articles of impeachment are determined. That's how it works.

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                          • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                            Than why do we not know the name of the whistleblower and why are proceedings happening behind closed doors, without a vote on the house floor? Your apologetics, for Democrats, is truly touching.
                            Because whistle-blowers are protected from retaliation through anonymity. That protection is necessary to make it possible for whistle-blowers to exist. It really isn't all that complicated. And this is not democrat/republican. This is just how these laws work.

                            And if you doubt the need for such laws, then all you need to do is consider what happens to people who blow the whistle on powerful people where their identifies are well known.

                            say - journalists in Russia:

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lled_in_Russia

                            or consider this article on whistle-blowing:

                            https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellypo.../#7bff2ec36a9b

                            consider:

                            Source: above

                            Years later, I learned that the Space Shuttle Challenger could have been prevented if only the whistle-blower was heard. Whistle-blower Roger Boisjoly tried to warn NASA the night before the launch that the O rings would fail if the shuttle was launched in cold weather. No one listened. After Boisjoly testified to the Rogers Commission about his research findings, Boisjoly was shunned by his colleagues and faced extreme retaliation. He later resigned from his company due to the pressure of being labeled a whistle-blower. Boisjoly was trying to save 7 innocent lives. Should he be classified as a snitch?

                            © Copyright Original Source



                            or perhaps this from the same article:

                            Source: above

                            Another person I met while conducting these interviews was whistle-blower Mary Willingham. If you were to google Mary’s name you will see that she is the person that exposed the 20-year UNC academic fraud case. Mary was a learning specialist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and noticed that students, particularly student athletes, with low reading abilities were turning in research papers that appeared well beyond their reading levels. After asking a few questions, she discovered a system that was designed to keep student athletes primarily eligible to play sports. Mary was outraged and proceeded to tell her supervisor. When speaking to her supervisor didn’t work, she attempted to speak to internal university administrators but again, no one did anything about it. She decided to blog about her observations and the blog went viral in 24 hours. She then teamed up with reporter Dan Kane and together they exposed the story. Mary believed that she was doing the right thing by speaking up for students who otherwise felt voiceless. Mary did not do anything wrong. She didn’t create nor participate in the fraud scandal and yet, she was isolated, demoted and received numerous death threats over…NCAA collegiate sports.

                            © Copyright Original Source



                            People like Donald Trump WILL retaliate against anyone that sheds a bad light on him, let alone someone that actually endangers him by exposing his private misdeeds. And as president, he has nearly limitless resources in terms of what form that retaliation could take. And so this person needs our protection and he needs his anonymity. The facts will be investigated, and Trump will only have anything to worry about if what the whistle-blower has said turns out to be true.



                            Jim
                            Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-11-2019, 10:37 AM.
                            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                            • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                              You're only objecting to secret witnesses testifying against you because you have something to hide!
                              It's a classic kafkatrap. The only way out is to concede one's guilt!
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                                Than why do we not know the name of the whistleblower and why are proceedings happening behind closed doors, without a vote on the house floor? Your apologetics, for Democrats, is truly touching.
                                Bingo... it's the folks cheering on this secretive behind-closed-doors kangaroo court proceeding that cause me the greatest concern for the future of our country.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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