Trump Administration Whistleblower Cover-Up

[Cow Poke]

I see very little in that story alleging collusion between Hillary and the Ukrainian government. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

Wow, it's right there in the top of the story....

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

Lemme guess, you're ONLY interested in foreign governments interfering with US elections when it helps a Republican?

I might also add that UKraine is not a foriegn adversary, Russia is, which is why they wanted Hillary to win as opposed to our adversary, Russia who wanted Trump to win.

It's a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT meddling in US ELECTIONS! You know, that thing that you pretend to OPPOSE. But, it's OK for them to interfere if they're not "adversaries"?

That's not how it works, Jimmy.

[JimL]

Is asking a foreign government to look into your political opponent's suspicious conduct a sin?

Extorting them in order that they do so, certainly is!

[oxmixmudd]

Jim, there was likely a better way to reply than this. I think we all need to keep in mind passages like Matthew 5:22 that warn against this sort of dialog against our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

I'm fairly sure that is the strongest wording I've had in several days here. And he was being rather obnoxious. But you're probably right.


Jim

[JimL]

Wow, it's right there in the top of the story....

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped ClintonÂ’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

Well, that's not Clinton's doing, that's the Ukrainian Government who, for good reason, saw Trump as a danger to both Ukraine and the U.S. And who are these Clinton allies?

Lemme guess, you're ONLY interested in foreign governments interfering with US elections when it helps a Republican?

Nope, but I'm certainly more interested when it is a foriegn adversary rather than a friend who is concerned about the same adversary who had just invaded their country

It's a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT meddling in US ELECTIONS! You know, that thing that you pretend to OPPOSE. But, it's OK for them to interfere if they're not "adversaries"?

To equate what they did with what Russia did is ridiculous.

That's not how it works, Jimmy.

Well, by equating the two, i.e what Russia did, sweeping and systematic interference campaign, with what is detailed in that story just shows the lengths to which you will go to defend the theiving, coniving, con man, wannabe dictator, that you voted for.

[Mountain Man]

Extorting them in order that they do so, certainly is!

You mean the way Biden extorted the Ukrainian government to drop an investigation against his son's company?

[Teallaura]

Because it could have negative implications for Biden's election run. DoJ may not have to lift a finger though because the MSM may be forced to inevitably cover it if they keep pursuing this story, which is looking more and more like it was planned that way.

No, why, at this point, should there be an investigation? There's no apparent wrong doing - requesting an investigation isn't a crime in any sense.

Nor is it a 'personal favor equating to an emolument'...

[Teallaura]

Why not?

'Cause pointless.

[Teallaura]

I was being somewhat facetious, MM -- it's yet ANOTHER BLOCKBUSTER that is FOR SURE this time, gonna sink Trump.

It gets the liberals all exited, and fuels their hate, only to discover another nothingburger.

Which way did they go? I didn't even know they had an exit.

[Adrift]

I'm fairly sure that is the strongest wording I've had in several days here. And he was being rather obnoxious. But you're probably right.

Thank you, and I only remind you because not everyone on the forum is receptive to the point I was making, I feel that you're the type who would be receptive to it. As an aside, if you were referring to RumTug (rather than mikewhitney, it's not clear who you were referring to in your second sentence) just an FYI, she's a woman.

[Juvenal]

...just an FYI ...

The Teasers beg to differ. Next you'll be claiming mossrose isn't the ancient of afternoons.

[oxmixmudd]

Thank you, and I only remind you because not everyone on the forum is receptive to the point I was making, I feel that you're the type who would be receptive to it. As an aside, if you were referring to RumTug (rather than mikewhitney, it's not clear who you were referring to in your second sentence) just an FYI, she's a woman.

yeah I missed that Rum was a woman. It's a good thing I'm already married, cause I'm 0 for 3 (i.e. 'I've struck out') with the ladies in this forum ...

[seanD]

No, why, at this point, should there be an investigation? There's no apparent wrong doing - requesting an investigation isn't a crime in any sense.

Nor is it a 'personal favor equating to an emolument'...

No one knows for sure if there was any wrongdoing, which is the point of trying to spur on an investigation. The circumstances are shady. Illegal, no one knows; immoral, it's a gray area. At best, it reeks of political privilege and nepotism. A wealthy elitist politician using his clout to give foreign business advantages to his son ain't exactly something that the left looks on favorably, especially in this current "down with the wealthy class" environment, and especially in a political race where Dems are stabbing each other in the back to gain traction in the polls and could use it as ammo against him.

[rogue06]

You mean the way Biden extorted the Ukrainian government to drop an investigation against his son's company?

And would openly boast of how he got the prosecutor removed who was investigating.

[Teallaura]

No one knows for sure if there was any wrongdoing, which is the point of trying to spur on an investigation. The circumstances are shady. Illegal, no one knows; immoral, it's a gray area. At best, it reeks of political privilege and nepotism. A wealthy elitist politician using his clout to give foreign business advantages to his son ain't exactly something that the left looks on favorably, especially in this current "down with the wealthy class" environment, and especially in a political race where Dems are stabbing each other in the back to gain traction in the polls and could use it as ammo against him.

There has to be an indication of a crime - otherwise it's a fishing expedition and on shaky constitutional ground.

The Ukrainians appear to have grounds (assuming their laws are similar to ours) but I don't see any against Trump at this stage when there is already an open question of wrongdoing in the Ukraine matter. 'Looks fishy' isn't sufficient.

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