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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSeriously? His campaign was found guilty of massive campaign financing violations and had to pay one of the largest fines ever issued against a presidential campaign by the FEC -- $375,000.
What sort of comparable fines have been levied against Trump or his campaign.
And here's something for you to mull over. Why do you think that there is such a startling difference?
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWhat law or statute is he accused of breaking?
**Edit to ad** Biden running for President does not make him any more immune to legal scrutiny. To quote Pelosi... "No one should be above the law."
In the words of Orwell, "Some animals are more equal that others"
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostDrat. You gave Sam the answer to the question I asked him in the post above.
But the Obama campaign, let alone Obama himself never came close to this kind of egregious violation. Only the willfully obtuse pretend otherwise.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostLet me be more clear: I'm not asking a rhetorical question. I'm asking what specifically was the campaign finance violation in order to show how it is distinct from Trump's personal campaign finance violation.
--Sam
If you are really curious either Bing or Google can assist you.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sam View PostBy memory, Michael Cohen testified that the payments were explicitly linked to the election ... which is pretty obvious, given the timeline. Regardless, it's a defense to be made in court that Trump was sufficiently unaware of campaign finance law and/or arranged these payments in the last days of a general election only after Cliffords had threatened to go public unrelated to the campaign.
But the Obama campaign, let alone Obama himself never came close to this kind of egregious violation. Only the willfully obtuse pretend otherwise.
--Sam
If there was anything there then where is the FEC's audit and penalty. Maybe, just maybe, they are more familiar with the case and the law than you are.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe Washington Post’s “Fact Checker” column hit House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) with four Pinocchios Friday for falsely claiming that his panel had “not spoken directly” with the partisan CIA officer behind a so-called “whistleblower” complaint about President Donald Trump.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...t-false-claim/
Usually they bend over backwards excusing such behavior from those on the left. For them to issue four Pinocchios wrt to Schiff's deliberate lie is quite telling.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostRelying on Michael Cohen's testimony -- someone who was obviously making it clear he was willing to say anything if it meant leniency for him -- is not exactly convincing.
If there was anything there then where is the FEC's audit and penalty. Maybe, just maybe, they are more familiar with the case and the law than you are."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhoa.
Usually they bend over backwards excusing such behavior from those on the left. For them to issue four Pinocchios wrt to Schiff's deliberate lie is quite telling."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostBy memory, Michael Cohen testified that the payments were explicitly linked to the election ...
Anyway, the precedent here is John Edwards where there was a clear line from a donation to his campaign to a mistress he wanted to keep quiet, but since he had paid off women in the past, the FEC said it wasn't a crime because the action wasn't specific to his campaign. In Trump's case, the money was paid directly out of his own pocket and never touched the campaign coffers, so unlike Edwards, there is no direct line from his campaign to the payments. Even the former chairman of the FEC said the law wasn't violated.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Roy View Post52 USC 30121(a): It shall be unlawful for a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value from a foreign national in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.
I can't find any exception if the solicitation concerns acts of fraud.
Can you?
Also, how did you know there was such an exception without knowing which statue it was an exception to?
What law or statue is Biden suspected of breaking?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBy memory, Michael Cohen is a convicted liar who was willing to say anything to save his own skin.
Anyway, the precedent here is John Edwards where there was a clear line from a donation to his campaign to a mistress he wanted to keep quiet, but since he had paid off women in the past, the FEC said it wasn't a crime because the action wasn't specific to his campaign. In Trump's case, the money was paid directly out of his own pocket and never touched the campaign coffers, so unlike Edwards, there is no direct line from his campaign to the payments. Even the former chairman of the FEC said the law wasn't violated.
Okay, then. Let's do that. Since Cohen plead guilty to the related charges and since various other parties were involved (National Enquirer, Trump Co. CFO), discovery and testimony should be enlightening.
For the record, there was no direct line to campaign finances in Edward's case, either.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostInvestigating potentially illegal activity is not a contribution.
Campaign finance laws have never been interpreted the way you are trying to do.
I knew which one you were inferring, but I find it better to pin you guys down when you are specific in writing.
US Ethics laws.
Yes, coercing an investigation into "potentially illegal activity" can make a resulting investigation a contribution if there's no justifiable predicate for the investigation.
So the question: what ethics law is Biden said to have violated and what's the predicate? What's the "credible allegation of wrongdoing" and why isn't DOJ coordinating with Ukraine through its established channels for any resulting investigation?
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostAlways helpful to actually read the statutes you're bold-texting cherry-picked clauses from.
Conclusion
The committee believes that it must have access to those
employees of the IC who are aware of information, classified or
otherwise, exposing corruption, mismanagement, or waste within
their agencies or elements. The committee's statutorily
established oversight responsibilities cannot be effectively
carried out if employees are required to obtain the approval of
the heads of their agency before exposing wrongdoing,
mismanagement, or waste. H.R. 3829 as reported is an effort to
accommodate the critical interests of national security, law
enforcement, and foreign affairs and still accomplish that
legislative mandate.
In this instance, just reading the link you provided would showcase the congressional intent:
You would also find this section relatively quickly:
And you might also be struck by the use of the word "may" numerous times in reference to reporting to the ICIG. Classified information must lawfully pass through ICWPA in order to avoid other laws against disclosure of classified information but nothing in ICWPA says that an employee must contact ICIG with allegations that do not contain classified information before making those allegations to another party.
As I'm frequently saying, gotta be able to both read and understand the legal stuff if you're wanting to make a legal argument ... especially one that's contradicted by the people in charge of enforcing the statute!
--Sam
*Emphasis addedThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYes, coercing an investigation into "potentially illegal activity" can make a resulting investigation a contribution if there's no justifiable predicate for the investigation.
So the question: what ethics law is Biden said to have violated and what's the predicate?
What's the "credible allegation of wrongdoing" and why isn't DOJ coordinating with Ukraine through its established channels for any resulting investigation?
--SamThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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