Trump Administration Whistleblower Cover-Up

[Sparko]

um you are posting in the wrong thread Leon.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...-CO2-into-fuel

[Sparko]

As I noted earlier, if Shokin did have dirt on Hunter Biden, then it would not make sense for Joe Biden to be the point man in getting him fired. Since Shokin could easily expose his son. Biden would've wanted to use his position to protect the prosecutor and not have him fired (risking exposure) and replaced with a non-corrupt prosecutor (again, risking exposure).

What we have with Hunter Biden, by the evidence, is a case of crony capitalism, as Juvanel notes. That stinks, yes - - just like it does for Trump's children and any number of other elite offspring of powerful people. We should end it. But it's not evidence, of itself, of an illegal act.

--Sam

Him using his power to get a foreign country to basically 'hire' his son and friends is not illegal? And then using his power and status as VP to blackmail the Ukraine into firing this prosecutor isn't illegal either? Wow. You guys sure have a different set of standards when it comes to your guys than when it comes to Trump.

If Trump had gotten Putin to do business with his son, the democrats would be screaming bloody murder.

Also if this prosecutor wasn't going after Biden's son, then what business was it of Biden's in the first place to tell a foreign country that they need to fire some prosecutor or not get money from the US? That would be an internal affair that would be of no interest to Biden.

[Bill the Cat]

Apart from both Trump and Giuliani directly saying that they pressed Ukrainian officials to investigate Joe & Hunter Biden, there have been numerous investigative articles in the past week. The Washington Post dropped a big one last night.

But that's why the word "allegedly" was used; the evidence substantiating the reporting is largely unavailable. What we have is what we know from the months of reporting on Giuliani's attempts to get Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, senators' statements regarding their discussions with Ukrainian officials concerning the stalled funding, etc. The whistleblower complaint supposedly contains enough evidence that the ICIG reviewed it and deemed it credible and urgent.

So what we have now is a pattern of behavior appearing to repeat itself and a potentially impeachable act. That's enough to start an investigation and see where it leads.

--Sam

Again, where is the evidence of the quid-pro-quo?

[Mountain Man]

Regardless, you've go the timeline wrong on Biden & Shokin -- Shokin was not "going to investigate [Biden's] son" but had opened an investigation into Burisma Group in 2014 and allegedly leveraged that into a profitable extortion; numerous Ukrainian sources have confirmed there was no active or pending investigation in 2016.

As I've pointed out to you already, according to official Ukrainian government documents and Shokin himself, the investigation was active, and they were planning to move against Hunter Biden when daddy came to the rescue.

The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...obe-is-revived

You better get up to speed on this stuff because Trump has ordered the releases of the phonecall transcript, which means that Biden extorting the Ukrainian government to drop an investigation against his son will be the only thing left to talk about.

[Sam]

Things are settling down remarkably under our new chair, who is still benefiting from a novel aura best described as, "Thank God she's not crazy." As someone who actually hired her in the past for an adjunct position at another university, I'd say she's much better than that, but a low bar is a low bar.

My own classes ... hmm, put it this way ... I've just bought a dozen calculators on eBay, with another half dozen bids that should close this week ... which probably says it all. These kids are not privileged. But they're my kids, and I'm going to do whatever is necessary to help them, so help me God.

Hope the calculators arrive and the kids use 'em well. If you have any expenses like that you don't mind help funding, I'd love to hear about them and have a chance to help.

--Sam

[Sam]

well if we go with your events above, we have the guy extorting Hunter's company (which means he had some dirt on them) and Biden using his influence to get the guy fired and off of his son's back. Same situation, different details.

Not to mention Biden helping his son get set up in the first place and get paid 1.5 Billion by Ukraine and China. And Hunter's partners were Senator Kerry's stepson and notorious mobster Whitey Bulger's, Nephew - This whole thing stinks from the ground up.

And we have Biden bragging about it on video.

compared to nothing but rumors about Trump.

As I noted earlier, if Shokin did have dirt on Hunter Biden, then it would not make sense for Joe Biden to be the point man in getting him fired. Since Shokin could easily expose his son. Biden would've wanted to use his position to protect the prosecutor and not have him fired (risking exposure) and replaced with a non-corrupt prosecutor (again, risking exposure).

What we have with Hunter Biden, by the evidence, is a case of crony capitalism, as Juvanel notes. That stinks, yes - - just like it does for Trump's children and any number of other elite offspring of powerful people. We should end it. But it's not evidence, of itself, of an illegal act.

--Sam

[Sparko]

People who pay attention to these things know the names Solomon, Schweizer, and Bannon by sight and treat their accusations accordingly. If and when legitimate sources make and detail accusations, that's the time to treat the two events as similar.

Regardless, you've go the timeline wrong on Biden & Shokin -- Shokin was not "going to investigate [Biden's] son" but had opened an investigation into Burisma Group in 2014 and allegedly leveraged that into a profitable extortion; numerous Ukrainian sources have confirmed there was no active or pending investigation in 2016.

What Trump did and is doing now -- allegedly withholding funding against the advice of his NSA explicitly for the purpose of compelling a foreign government to investigate and implicate his political rival (by proxy), allegedly directing senior staff to fabricate an alternate reason the funds were being withheld, and suppressing a whistleblower complaint pertaining to his activities -- is dramatically unlike anything we've seen since Nixon.

Getting the story right necessitates knowing who's purposefully and repeatedly trying to tell the story wrong.

--Sam

well if we go with your version of events above, we have the guy extorting Hunter's company (which means he had some dirt on them) and Biden using his influence to get the guy fired and off of his son's back. Same situation, different details.

Not to mention Biden helping his son get set up in the first place and get paid 1.5 Billion by Ukraine and China. And Hunter's partners were Senator Kerry's stepson and notorious mobster Whitey Bulger's nephew - This whole thing stinks from the ground up.

And we have Biden bragging about it on video.

compared to nothing but rumors about Trump.

[Sam]

Where's the evidence that he is doing any of this?

Apart from both Trump and Giuliani directly saying that they pressed Ukrainian officials to investigate Joe & Hunter Biden, there have been numerous investigative articles in the past week. The Washington Post dropped a big one last night.

But that's why the word "allegedly" was used; the evidence substantiating the reporting is largely unavailable. What we have is what we know from the months of reporting on Giuliani's attempts to get Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, senators' statements regarding their discussions with Ukrainian officials concerning the stalled funding, etc. The whistleblower complaint supposedly contains enough evidence that the ICIG reviewed it and deemed it credible and urgent.

So what we have now is a pattern of behavior appearing to repeat itself and a potentially impeachable act. That's enough to start an investigation and see where it leads.

--Sam

[Bill the Cat]

We do not know what the whistleblower knows or what information they have directly seen. Even the relevant congressional committees don't know because the Trump administration is flouting the law that requires the DNI to send the complaint to them.

Doesn't seem to stop the left from claiming they know

[Bill the Cat]

What Trump did and is doing now -- allegedly withholding funding against the advice of his NSA explicitly for the purpose of compelling a foreign government to investigate and implicate his political rival (by proxy), allegedly directing senior staff to fabricate an alternate reason the funds were being withheld, and suppressing a whistleblower complaint pertaining to his activities -- is dramatically unlike anything we've seen since Nixon.

Where's the evidence that he is doing any of this?

[Sam]

Without direct evidence either. The supposed "whistleblower" had no direct knowledge of the incident.

We do not know what the whistleblower knows or what information they have directly seen. Even the relevant congressional committees don't know because the Trump administration is flouting the law that requires the DNI to send the complaint to them.

[Sam]

So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump, when in fact, this is exactly what Biden did, twice. He first got the Ukraine and China to pay his son 1.5 BILLION dollars for his "company", then when the Ukraine prosecutor was going to investigate his son, he threatened the Ukraine that he was going to withhold money unless they fired the prosecutor.

AND we have Biden on tape bragging about it.

Where is the outrage from the democrats? Where is the outrage from the liberals in this very thread that were condemning Trump but are completely silent about Biden now?

People who pay attention to these things know the names Solomon, Schweizer, and Bannon by sight and treat their accusations accordingly. If and when legitimate sources make and detail accusations, that's the time to treat the two events as similar.

Regardless, you've go the timeline wrong on Biden & Shokin -- Shokin was not "going to investigate [Biden's] son" but had opened an investigation into Burisma Group in 2014 and allegedly leveraged that into a profitable extortion; numerous Ukrainian sources have confirmed there was no active or pending investigation in 2016.

What Trump did and is doing now -- allegedly withholding funding against the advice of his NSA explicitly for the purpose of compelling a foreign government to investigate and implicate his political rival (by proxy), allegedly directing senior staff to fabricate an alternate reason the funds were being withheld, and suppressing a whistleblower complaint pertaining to his activities -- is dramatically unlike anything we've seen since Nixon.

Getting the story right necessitates knowing who's purposefully and repeatedly trying to tell the story wrong.

--Sam

[seer]

Without direct evidence either. The supposed "whistleblower" had no direct knowledge of the incident.

Yes, but it something BIDEN ACTUALLY DID! Does this escape everyone?

[Bill the Cat]

So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump...

Without direct evidence either. The supposed "whistleblower" had no direct knowledge of the incident.

[seer]

So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump, when in fact, this is exactly what Biden did, twice. He first got the Ukraine and China to pay his son 1.5 BILLION dollars for his "company", then when the Ukraine prosecutor was going to investigate his son, he threatened the Ukraine that he was going to withhold money unless they fired the prosecutor.

AND we have Biden on tape bragging about it.

Where is the outrage from the democrats? Where is the outrage from the liberals in this very thread that were condemning Trump but are completely silent about Biden now?

Like I said, they always accuse us of what they are actually doing...