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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Hey, with logic like that you can't lose mike, at least not in your own mind.
    With logic like yours, we have lost already. I believe I am sharing the opinion with many people who wish to restore freedom in America.

    If you miss what I have said, then you don't understand how socialism is designed (and is being deployed) to take away rights that belong to the people.

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    • Hey Jim,

      You were right about the IG having labelled the complaint urgent. My bad, sorry.

      -T
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      • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        It has been a long year ... going on since Reagan and Carter. The typical Republican subjects decisions primarily to appeal to (or appease) the Democrats.

        So I am talking about 'control' not just numbers. Don't you know that Trump was elected to overcome all these years of America falling into the pit?
        Respectfully, there's just no good, reasonable way to respond to that.

        Be well, any road.

        --Sam
        "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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        • Another balloon floated by conspiracy theory nuts has been popped...

          Former national security adviser Susan Rice acknowledged last night that the Obama administration moved transcripts of conversations with foreign leaders onto the same top-secret server where the Trump administration stored his recent phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

          [...]

          ...reporting from ABC News shows that this practice of securing presidential phone transcripts has been in use in the White House since early 2017, after sensitive conversations with foreign leaders were leaked to the press.

          [...]

          So from Rice we now know the decision to store the conversation on the top-secret server was not unprecedented, but a decision that Obama’s administration made multiple times as well, using its own discretion, just as the Trump administration has. And from ABC News’ reporting we know that this has been a long-standing practice in the Trump White House to protect against a high level of leaks.

          Both of these revelations undermine the theory that in this specific case, some unique and bizarre method was used to hide the transcript and engage in a cover up. Rather, the Trump administration appears to have been engaging in business as usual.

          https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/28...et-server-too/
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            The point you made was that the form was newly modified to accommodate this event. It wasn't

            Jim
            Except the specific changes allowing for "heard from others" were made in Aug 2019. Or did you miss that part?
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • As Rice noted and as The Federalist trusts its readers are too dumb to grasp, presidential conversations were moved onto the NSC server if the conversations contained classified information that warranted the transfer. Easy decision tree:

              Does the conversation include highly classified information?

              Yes ---> Maybe it goes on the NSC codeword server

              No ----> It does not go on the NSC codeword server

              Since nothing in Trump's call contained classified information, it shouldn't be on the server. If the Trump administration is using the NSC server to prevent people leaking politically-damaging but non-classified information, it's an abuse of the system.

              --Sam

              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Another balloon floated by conspiracy theory nuts has been popped...

              Former national security adviser Susan Rice acknowledged last night that the Obama administration moved transcripts of conversations with foreign leaders onto the same top-secret server where the Trump administration stored his recent phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

              [...]

              ...reporting from ABC News shows that this practice of securing presidential phone transcripts has been in use in the White House since early 2017, after sensitive conversations with foreign leaders were leaked to the press.

              [...]

              So from Rice we now know the decision to store the conversation on the top-secret server was not unprecedented, but a decision that Obama’s administration made multiple times as well, using its own discretion, just as the Trump administration has. And from ABC News’ reporting we know that this has been a long-standing practice in the Trump White House to protect against a high level of leaks.

              Both of these revelations undermine the theory that in this specific case, some unique and bizarre method was used to hide the transcript and engage in a cover up. Rather, the Trump administration appears to have been engaging in business as usual.

              https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/28...et-server-too/
              Last edited by Sam; 09-28-2019, 08:35 PM. Reason: Edited to clarify: codeword server
              "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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              • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                If the Trump administration is using the NSC server to prevent people leaking politically-damaging but non-classified information, it's an abuse of the system.
                An abuse of the system? Say what?
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Another balloon floated by conspiracy theory nuts has been popped...

                  Former national security adviser Susan Rice acknowledged last night that the Obama administration moved transcripts of conversations with foreign leaders onto the same top-secret server where the Trump administration stored his recent phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

                  [...]

                  ...reporting from ABC News shows that this practice of securing presidential phone transcripts has been in use in the White House since early 2017, after sensitive conversations with foreign leaders were leaked to the press.

                  [...]

                  So from Rice we now know the decision to store the conversation on the top-secret server was not unprecedented, but a decision that ObamaÂ’s administration made multiple times as well, using its own discretion, just as the Trump administration has. And from ABC NewsÂ’ reporting we know that this has been a long-standing practice in the Trump White House to protect against a high level of leaks.

                  Both of these revelations undermine the theory that in this specific case, some unique and bizarre method was used to hide the transcript and engage in a cover up. Rather, the Trump administration appears to have been engaging in business as usual.

                  https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/28...et-server-too/
                  You see what you're looking for, MM, not what's there. She said they only put highly classified material on the server set up for that purpose. There are 4 servers each set up for specific material of differing levels of classification. They didn't put mundane conversations such as possible corruption by Burisma and Bidens son on the most secure server. But, apparently Trump hides transcripts of his attempted extortion of foriegn allies and national security breaches on that server. Not to mention what else they're going to find hiding on that server. Apparently he has conversations with his Tyrannous buddies, Putin and the Saudi Arabian Prince stored there as well.
                  Last edited by JimL; 09-28-2019, 10:09 PM.

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                  • You see what you're looking for, Jimmy, not what's there. The article also said that securing even non-classified transcripts has been standard practice in the Trump administration since 2017 in their effort to stop leaks.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                      As Rice noted and as The Federalist trusts its readers are too dumb to grasp, presidential conversations were moved onto the NSC server if the conversations contained classified information that warranted the transfer.
                      Nearly all conversations Trump has with foreign leaders have been moved due to how they were being regularly leaked during the early part of his Administration.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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                      • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                        Rules weren't changed; nothing in ICWPA requires firsthand knowledge for a complaint. The 2017 ICIG template even includes the language "I am a discloser with direct or indirect evidence in the above-captioned disclosure of a Title 50 alleged urgent concern."

                        --Sam
                        Could you please comment in light of this article?

                        Specifically,


                        "The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed.

                        ...

                        A previous version of the whistleblower complaint document, which the ICIG and DNI until recently provided to potential whistleblowers, declared that any complaint must contain only first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing and that complaints that provide only hearsay, rumor, or gossip would be rejected.

                        “The [Intelligence Community Inspector General] cannot transmit information via the ICPWA based on an employee’s second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing,” the previous form stated under the bolded heading “FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED.” “This includes information received from another person, such as when an employee informs you that he/she witnessed some type of wrongdoing.”

                        “If you think that wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, [the Intelligence Community Inspector General] will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA,” the form concluded.

                        Markings on the previous version of the Disclosure of Urgent Concern form show that it was formally approved on May 24, 2018."
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                        • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                          Rules weren't changed; nothing in ICWPA requires firsthand knowledge for a complaint. The 2017 ICIG template even includes the language "I am a discloser with direct or indirect evidence in the above-captioned disclosure of a Title 50 alleged urgent concern."

                          --Sam
                          Source: Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge


                          Federal records show that the intelligence community secretly revised the formal whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to eliminate the requirement of direct, first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing.


                          Between May 2018 and August 2019, the intelligence community secretly eliminated a requirement that whistleblowers provide direct, first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoings. This raises questions about the intelligence community’s behavior regarding the August submission of a whistleblower complaint against President Donald Trump. The new complaint document no longer requires potential whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress to have direct, first-hand knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing that they are reporting.

                          The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”

                          The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed.

                          The complaint alleges that President Donald Trump broke the law during a phone call with the Ukrainian president. In his complaint, which was dated August 12, 2019, the complainant acknowledged he was “not a direct witness” to the wrongdoing he claims Trump committed.

                          A previous version of the whistleblower complaint document, which the ICIG and DNI until recently provided to potential whistleblowers, declared that any complaint must contain only first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing and that complaints that provide only hearsay, rumor, or gossip would be rejected.



                          Source

                          © Copyright Original Source



                          The article contains copies of the requirements from both before and after water cooler gossip was permitted which I reproduced below:

                          00000000000000ab000-00aac1.jpg
                          The original Disclosure of Urgent Concern form
                          prior to the August 2019 revision




                          00000000000000ab000-00aac2.jpg
                          The revised Disclosure of Urgent Concern form
                          following the August 2019 revision

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                            Could you please comment in light of this article?

                            Specifically,


                            "The internal properties of the newly revised “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form, which the intelligence community inspector general (ICIG) requires to be submitted under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), show that the document was uploaded on September 24, 2019, at 4:25 p.m., just days before the anti-Trump complaint was declassified and released to the public. The markings on the document state that it was revised in August 2019, but no specific date of revision is disclosed.

                            ...

                            A previous version of the whistleblower complaint document, which the ICIG and DNI until recently provided to potential whistleblowers, declared that any complaint must contain only first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing and that complaints that provide only hearsay, rumor, or gossip would be rejected.

                            “The [Intelligence Community Inspector General] cannot transmit information via the ICPWA based on an employee’s second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing,” the previous form stated under the bolded heading “FIRST-HAND INFORMATION REQUIRED.” “This includes information received from another person, such as when an employee informs you that he/she witnessed some type of wrongdoing.”

                            “If you think that wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second-hand or unsubstantiated assertions, [the Intelligence Community Inspector General] will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA,” the form concluded.

                            Markings on the previous version of the Disclosure of Urgent Concern form show that it was formally approved on May 24, 2018."
                            Looks like we were both reading the same article.

                            It also contains a few of the errors of fact that the whistleblower got wrong as well as the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel's opinion of the gossip

                            Source: Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge



                            ...

                            The anti-Trump complaint also made several false claims that have been directly refuted and debunked. While the complaint alleged that Trump demanded that Ukraine physically return multiple servers potentially related to ongoing investigations of foreign interference in the 2016 elections, the transcript of the call between Trump and Zelensky shows that such a request was never made.

                            The complainant also falsely alleged that Trump told Zelensky that he should keep the current prosecutor general at the time, Yuriy Lutsenko, in his current position in the country. The transcript showed that exchange also did not happen.

                            Additionally, the complaint falsely alleged that T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, a U.S. State Department official, was a party to the phone call between Trump and Zelensky.

                            “I was told that a State Department official, Mr. T. Ulrich Brechbuhl, also listened in on the call,” the complaint alleged. Shortly after the complaint was released, CBS News reported that Brechbuhl was not on the phone call.

                            In a legal opinion that was released to the public along with the phone call transcript, the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) determined that the complainant’s submission was statutorily deficient and therefore was not required to be submitted to Congress. The White House nonetheless declassified and released the document to Congress late Wednesday evening.

                            “The complaint does not arise in connection with the operation of any U.S. government intelligence activity, and the alleged misconduct does not involve any member of the intelligence community,” the September 3 OLC opinion noted. “Rather, the complaint arises out of a confidential diplomatic communication between the President and a foreign leader that the intelligence-community complainant received secondhand.”



                            Source

                            © Copyright Original Source

                            Last edited by rogue06; 09-29-2019, 03:21 AM.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • The whistleblower's identity has been made public.




                              It wasn't a CIA agent or anyone who has anything to do with the intelligence community. In a bizarre turn of the events it has turned out that the leaker is in fact REO Speedwagon singer Kevin Cronin!



                              Apparently he heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.


























                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                The whistleblower's identity has been made public.




                                It wasn't a CIA agent or anyone who has anything to do with the intelligence community. In a bizarre turn of the events it has turned out that the leaker is in fact REO Speedwagon singer Kevin Cronin!



                                Apparently he heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.

























                                At least two meme versions of that joke have popped up in my FB feed in the past three days.
                                Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                                Beige Federalist.

                                Nationalist Christian.

                                "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                                Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                                Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                                Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                                Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                                Justice for Matthew Perna!

                                Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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