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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    According to the Ukrainian government and the prosecutor himself, Hunter Biden was specifically named in the investigation.

    The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.

    Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...obe-is-revived
    Duh, so what if they were recipients of money? Besides that, your so called source can say anything he wants, like "he (shokin) was making plans to investigate" but there is no evidence of anything. Btw, your wannabe dictator has crossed the rubicon, as they say, with this one. Impeachment time!

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Duh, so what if they were recipients of money? Besides that, your so called source can say anything he wants, like "he (shokin) was making plans to investigate" but there is no evidence of anything. Btw, your wannabe dictator has crossed the rubicon, as they say, with this one. Impeachment time!
      If they are recipients in this instance, they are guilty of corruption.

      There aren't enough votes to begin impeachment - this is more likely to scare some off. Pelosi seems to know it - although she no longer seems to be in control.

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Duh, so what if they were recipients of money? Besides that, your so called source can say anything he wants, like "he (shokin) was making plans to investigate" but there is no evidence of anything. Btw, your wannabe dictator has crossed the rubicon, as they say, with this one. Impeachment time!
        Isn't it funny how you're willing to take the word of an anonymous "whistleblower" who has no direct knowledge, over that of a named on-the-record source?

        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          As you said the numbers are right in front of you:

          The following table lists the accuracy of pollsters in the November 8, 2016 US Presidential election using the measure of polling accuracy proposed by Martin, Traugott, and Kennedy.

          An accuracy measure of 0.00 indicates that the odds ratio of the survey results matches the odds ratio of the actual results (the closer to 0.00, the better).

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]39846[/ATTACH]

          First of all, this is your brain on partisanship, admixed, by way of allowing the greatest benefit of the doubt, with a stunning lack of mathematical foundation so profound as to make me cringe in empathetic pain.

          And no, don't even go there. This is a response from a brain uninfected by partisanship.

          I posted the actual numbers, and am giving up enough of my time to correct these numbers you should never have posted. You looked at the actual numbers, dismissed them for no better reason than because you didn't like them, and went looking for numbers that suited you better, abdicating any responsibility for arguing why they might be better.

          Your table isn't sourced. It's clearly coming from a propaganda site, but it's not clear which propaganda site it is, not that it's difficult to reproduce the figures.

          When posting the original values, from a sourced site, roujim, it occurred to me someone might instead choose to rank the polls by projected margin of victory, or even ratio of victory, but I dismissed it as so obviously dishonest no one would go there. After all, these polling figures are ranges, x ± error, yielding ranges of margins and ratios that, even for the worst of these surveys, would likely include a value exactly spot on.

          So the egg's on me. I trusted too much.


          Take a deep breath, clear your head, and look what you posted. The study cited is a trivial analysis. It's "What if we only paid attention to the ending ratio?" study. It makes no claims to superiority as a measure, and wouldn't, because no researcher would miss the opening for outliers to capture a "best of" prize, and especially wouldn't argue for such with rounded values subject to pigeonholing, the principle that assures us we can always find a 22/7 style ratio for pi that beats out its neighbors with similar sized denominators.

          A quick calculation shows pigeonholing victories at D/R of 47/45 and 46/44 beating out Rasmussen, and further down the chart, an 18/17 would have beaten all but Rasmussen in this survey.


          Someone, not you, if we're to grant you're not deliberately dishonest, went looking for a study incorporating a scaled error cancellation to remove the error in the Rasmussen poll, 3 points for each major party candidate, in order to promote it above polls with actual errors many times less than Rasmussen, as evident from the raw values posted above.


          In addition, and again, the Rasmussen sample size is 500/day aggregated over 3 days, or 1500, yielding a natural 1-sigma polling error, 1/√n, of 2.6 percent, meaning any particular report's accuracy cannot, even in principle, be expected to provide a sample with sufficient accuracy to stand above the rest. This is why Rasmussen polls are aggregated over 3 days, and why 538 and similar sites aggregate multiple polls, effectively increasing the sample size to reduce polling error.

          This quest, or any quest, for a "best of" poll, even an honest quest as this one is not, cannot even in principle find a more accurate projection than the polling aggregators.

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          • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
            And again, as I mentioned upthread, those who are willing to wait will be rewarded. Both audio and transcripts of the call will be in the press soon enough, and we can move on from the if, if, if ... speculations to a more serious discussion of facts.
            I was wrong:

            The rough transcript of Trump’s Ukrainian call: There are likely no tapes — but plenty of witnesses
            He said when he first started in the Situation Room, he asked his predecessor why they didn’t just record the phone calls rather than going through all the trouble of this furious transcription. “The answer I got was ‘Oh God, no. They haven’t recorded those calls since the early ’70s,’” Pfeiffer recalled. After that, he said he didn’t feel the need to inquire any further.

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            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
              He definitely has to go, he's another traitor in that he is covering up for the treasonous president. A Republican, and I hate Republicans
              Fify n/c
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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              • Well, the transcript has been released...

                https://www.scribd.com/document/4274...oad&from_embed

                And let's just say, "I told you so."

                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                Most likely it's another nothing burger.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                  If they are recipients in this instance, they are guilty of corruption.
                  Oh, I see, so if Hunter Biden and his company are working for Burisma and they are the recipients of money for their work, whatever that work might entail, then they are guilty of corruption? Is that what you're asserting? Besides that, whether Biden is guilty of anything is besides the point, the point is that Trump extorted the Ukrainian President in order to force his hand into opening an investigation into his political rival. And he did so at the risk of U.S. national security.
                  There aren't enough votes to begin impeachment - this is more likely to scare some off. Pelosi seems to know it - although she no longer seems to be in control.
                  There are enough votes now, and they aren't being scared off, they're signing on. Pelosi is a vote counter, and the fact that she is now on board with opening a formal inquiry means that she now knows that she has the votes.

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Isn't it funny how you're willing to take the word of an anonymous "whistleblower" who has no direct knowledge, over that of a named on-the-record source?

                    Isn't it funny how the President of the U.S. is forcing the anonyimity of the whistelblower by denying him his protection as a whistleblower. And btw, you have no idea what the source of his knowledge is. Would you like to hear from him?

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                    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      Isn't it funny how the President of the U.S. is forcing the anonyimity of the whistelblower by denying him his protection as a whistleblower. And btw, you have no idea what the source of his knowledge is. Would you like to hear from him?
                      Sorry, but that isn't how whistleblower protection laws work. Since the whistleblower worked for the intelligence community, they are only legally protected when blowing the whistle against the intelligence community. The President is not a member of that community.
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        Oh, I see, so if Hunter Biden and his company are working for Burisma and they are the recipients of money for their work, whatever that work might entail, then they are guilty of corruption? Is that what you're asserting? Besides that, whether Biden is guilty of anything is besides the point, the point is that Trump extorted the Ukrainian President in order to force his hand into opening an investigation into his political rival. And he did so at the risk of U.S. national security.
                        No he didn't extort him. No threat of withholding funds was made as punishment for not investigating. In fact, no investigation happened, and funds were released.
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                        Stephen R. Donaldson

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                        • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          Sorry, but that isn't how whistleblower protection laws work. Since the whistleblower worked for the intelligence community, they are only legally protected when blowing the whistle against the intelligence community. The President is not a member of that community.
                          This is incorrect and, when you think about it, kind of absurd. The statute is for reporting malfeasance that impacts "intelligence activity" and is specifically framed in ways that extend past the boundaries of an intelligence agency. The ICWPA provides a mechanism for whistleblowers to report malfeasance that touches on intelligence activities and PPD-19 prohibits retaliation against intelligence employees who submit such reports.

                          --Sam
                          "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                          • Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                            Isn't it funny how the President of the U.S. is forcing the anonyimity of the whistelblower by denying him his protection as a whistleblower. And btw, you have no idea what the source of his knowledge is. Would you like to hear from him?
                            He had no firsthand knowledge and was promulgating rumors and hearsay. Therefore, by legal definition, he is not a whistleblower and is afforded no protection under whistleblower laws.

                            And now that the transcript of the phone call in question has been released, we can see for ourselves just how far off base this "whistleblower" really was.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • (How Donald Trump plays poker with the Democrats)

                              Trump: I have a royal flush. You should fold.
                              Democrats: No! We're going all in!
                              Trump: Are you sure? I just told you I have a royal flush. It's unbeatable.
                              Democrats: We're all in! Now let's see your cards!
                              Trump: (lays down a royal flush) I tried to warn you.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                (How Donald Trump plays poker with the Democrats)

                                Trump: I have a royal flush. You should fold.
                                Democrats: No! We're going all in!
                                Trump: Are you sure? I just told you I have a royal flush. It's unbeatable.
                                Democrats: We're all in! Now let's see your cards!
                                Trump: (lays down a royal flush) I tried to warn you.
                                The problem is that Pelosi has no way out here. There is nothing to actually impeach on, but if she drops it the left will tear her apart - and the party...
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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