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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Laughing. It's not just "what he was paid", but WHY he was paid it, Jimmy. They were buying the influence of his father -- Hunter had ZERO experience or expertise to serve on that board. That's the "corruption" you pretend to hate.

    Yeah, wasn't Jimmy complaining about the nepotism in Trump's administration with his daughter and son-in-law? But it's just fine for Biden to use his political pressure to get his son a cushy board position with a foreign government? What the hell? If Trump had gotten one of his son's on the board of some Russian corporation they would be screaming collusion and corruption to the ends of the earth.

    Yet now apparently Trump is the one who is in the wrong for wanting to find out exactly what went on?

    IF that is what actually this is about.

    Apparently the "whistle blower" was not even privy to the actual supposed phone call and is just reporting on something second hand, so who knows what is going on?


    Yup, Looks Like That Big Anti-Trump, Whistleblower Story Was All Smoke And Mirrors

    The media has spent the past few days speculating all the ways in which the Trump presidency could end after a whistleblower lodged a complaint regarding President Donald Trump’s communications with an unknown foreign leader.

    It turns out the complaint is nothing more than a rumor reported by someone in the intelligence community. Buried in a lengthy CNN article about the complaint is the following paragraph:

    The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.

    Granted, this is yet another anonymous source giving more context on what another anonymous source told a different outlet, but it still calls the entire story into question.

    The Washington Post first reported the complaint on Wednesday, using anonymous sources and vague descriptions. The outlet placed the story on its front page, with the headline, “Trump’s communications with foreign leader are part of whistleblower complaint that spurred standoff between spy chief and Congress, former officials say.”

    The story was as vague as the headline, with “two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter” who were “speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly” claiming Trump made a “promise” to a world leader, which is apparently wrong.

    The Post filled out its story with information about a “standoff” between Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire and Congress.

    The Intelligence Community Inspector General, Michael Atkinson – who was appointed by Trump – determined the whistleblower complaint to be of “urgent concern,” according to the Post. But Maguire argued he was not required by law to turn the complaint over to congressional Democrats seeking to impeach Trump.

    The reason Maguire didn’t turn the complaint over is because of what CNN reported – that the person who made the complaint had no direct knowledge of what was said and was merely reporting a rumor. Why the inspector general determined it “urgent and credible” remains to be seen.

    Media outlets have continued to speculate about what terrible thing Trump allegedly promised and to whom. The Post published a timeline of Trump’s calls with foreign leaders over the past four months, emphasizing his contacts with Russia and North Korea. Further reporting suggested Trump made some kind of “promise” with the newly elected leader of Ukraine, possibly over the country’s investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter. The elder Biden reportedly bullied Ukraine into firing a prosecutor looking into a company that employed his son. Biden allegedly threatened to withhold U.S. loan guarantees if the prosecutor was not fired.

    Some in the media suggested Trump withheld $250 million in military aid from Ukraine possibly in relation to whatever “promise” was made in that telephone call, which, again, the whistleblower didn’t overhear.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/52069...was-ashe-schow

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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Yet now apparently Trump is the one who is in the wrong for wanting to find out exactly what went on?
      And I point out, again, that this whole thing was initiated by the Ukrainian government who had justifiable concerns about a Vice President of the United States extorting them to fire a prosecutor who was investigating the VP's son.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
        The numbers are right in front of you.

        48/46 actual vs. final poll numbers:

        Abs 2 error: 49/45 or +1/-1 for Insights West
        Abs 4 error: 47/43 or -1/-3 for ABC News
        Abs 4 error: 47/43 or -1/-3 for Gravis marketing
        Abs 2 error: 48/44 or 0/-2 for Fox News

        vs.

        Abs 6 error: 45/43 or -3/-3 for Rasmussen

        This isn't even close.

        Citing the Daily Caller, in clear contradiction to the numbers you can read yourself showing it ain't so, after taking potshots at the Times, is the definition of an own goal. This is why your comments on bias have negative credibility.
        As you said the numbers are right in front of you:

        The following table lists the accuracy of pollsters in the November 8, 2016 US Presidential election using the measure of polling accuracy proposed by Martin, Traugott, and Kennedy.

        An accuracy measure of 0.00 indicates that the odds ratio of the survey results matches the odds ratio of the actual results (the closer to 0.00, the better).



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        • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
          Is answered by this.
          President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden ’s son, according to people familiar with the matter, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani on a probe that could hamper Mr. Trump’s potential 2020 opponent.

          It should be noted that, contrary to the reputation for conservative bias in their editorial content, WSJ reporting, like Fox news reporting, has long held a solid reputation, though there have been vocal protests against pressures exerted on reporters after its acquisition by Murdoch.
          Even CNN is now forced to admit that the "whistleblower" is in effect spreading gossip with no first hand knowledge of what took place.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Even CNN is now forced to admit that the "whistleblower" is in effect spreading gossip with no first hand knowledge of what took place.
            To be fair, CNN wasn't forced; as far as I can tell, they were the first to report it, but they naturally buried this rather important revelation nearly two-dozen paragraphs below the headline. Of course people are are going to say, "Oh, so now you trust CNN?" but my thinking is this: CNN wouldn't report something that undermines the liberal narrative unless it was true. That's also why they buried it so deep in the article knowing that their low-information target audience won't read beyond the first couple of paragraphs, if they even make it past the headline.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • And let's not forget, this old news:

              Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
              Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

              By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN 01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST



              Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

              Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

              A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

              The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

              https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446
              Last edited by seer; 09-23-2019, 01:28 PM.
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              • You want to get into the weeds, and find the real collusion, well worth the read:


                Andrew McCarthy: Triangulating Manafort -- Obama, Clinton and Ukraine

                It is in connection with Paul Manafort that we encounter some genuine collusion targeting the 2016 campaign: willful collaboration among foreign governments, the Obama administration, and the Clinton campaign.

                Just a week after the campaign introduced Carter Page as a Trump foreign policy adviser, it announced that Manafort had been brought on board, too. The consultant was an old political hand, experienced managing the rough-and-tumble of a convention fight.

                Manafort had longstanding, lucrative political consulting (and other business) arrangements with Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs who had Kremlin ties. These arrangements had already been spun into a narrative of political corruption in 2007 and 2008 by Glenn Simpson — then a Wall Street Journal scribe. In 2016, as the Fusion GPS impresario, Simpson would pull these articles off the shelf to help weave the Russia-gate tale.

                https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andr...linton-ukraine
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump, when in fact, this is exactly what Biden did, twice. He first got the Ukraine and China to pay his son 1.5 BILLION dollars for his "company", then when the Ukraine prosecutor was going to investigate his son, he threatened the Ukraine that he was going to withhold money unless they fired the prosecutor.

                  AND we have Biden on tape bragging about it.

                  Where is the outrage from the democrats? Where is the outrage from the liberals in this very thread that were condemning Trump but are completely silent about Biden now?


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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump, when in fact, this is exactly what Biden did, twice. He first got the Ukraine and China to pay his son 1.5 BILLION dollars for his "company", then when the Ukraine prosecutor was going to investigate his son, he threatened the Ukraine that he was going to withhold money unless they fired the prosecutor.

                    AND we have Biden on tape bragging about it.

                    Where is the outrage from the democrats? Where is the outrage from the liberals in this very thread that were condemning Trump but are completely silent about Biden now?


                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump, when in fact, this is exactly what Biden did, twice. He first got the Ukraine and China to pay his son 1.5 BILLION dollars for his "company", then when the Ukraine prosecutor was going to investigate his son, he threatened the Ukraine that he was going to withhold money unless they fired the prosecutor.

                      AND we have Biden on tape bragging about it.

                      Where is the outrage from the democrats? Where is the outrage from the liberals in this very thread that were condemning Trump but are completely silent about Biden now?
                      Like I said, they always accuse us of what they are actually doing...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump...
                        Without direct evidence either. The supposed "whistleblower" had no direct knowledge of the incident.
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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                        • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          Without direct evidence either. The supposed "whistleblower" had no direct knowledge of the incident.
                          Yes, but it something BIDEN ACTUALLY DID! Does this escape everyone?
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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            So basically, they were accusing Trump of pressuring a foreign country, threatening to withhold money in return for them doing something for Trump, when in fact, this is exactly what Biden did, twice. He first got the Ukraine and China to pay his son 1.5 BILLION dollars for his "company", then when the Ukraine prosecutor was going to investigate his son, he threatened the Ukraine that he was going to withhold money unless they fired the prosecutor.

                            AND we have Biden on tape bragging about it.

                            Where is the outrage from the democrats? Where is the outrage from the liberals in this very thread that were condemning Trump but are completely silent about Biden now?


                            People who pay attention to these things know the names Solomon, Schweizer, and Bannon by sight and treat their accusations accordingly. If and when legitimate sources make and detail accusations, that's the time to treat the two events as similar.

                            Regardless, you've go the timeline wrong on Biden & Shokin -- Shokin was not "going to investigate [Biden's] son" but had opened an investigation into Burisma Group in 2014 and allegedly leveraged that into a profitable extortion; numerous Ukrainian sources have confirmed there was no active or pending investigation in 2016.

                            What Trump did and is doing now -- allegedly withholding funding against the advice of his NSA explicitly for the purpose of compelling a foreign government to investigate and implicate his political rival (by proxy), allegedly directing senior staff to fabricate an alternate reason the funds were being withheld, and suppressing a whistleblower complaint pertaining to his activities -- is dramatically unlike anything we've seen since Nixon.

                            Getting the story right necessitates knowing who's purposefully and repeatedly trying to tell the story wrong.

                            --Sam
                            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                            • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                              Without direct evidence either. The supposed "whistleblower" had no direct knowledge of the incident.
                              We do not know what the whistleblower knows or what information they have directly seen. Even the relevant congressional committees don't know because the Trump administration is flouting the law that requires the DNI to send the complaint to them.
                              "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                              • Originally posted by Sam View Post

                                What Trump did and is doing now -- allegedly withholding funding against the advice of his NSA explicitly for the purpose of compelling a foreign government to investigate and implicate his political rival (by proxy), allegedly directing senior staff to fabricate an alternate reason the funds were being withheld, and suppressing a whistleblower complaint pertaining to his activities -- is dramatically unlike anything we've seen since Nixon.
                                Where's the evidence that he is doing any of this?
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                Stephen R. Donaldson

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