Trump Administration Whistleblower Cover-Up

[Bill the Cat]

Lying about a person's position is - well - lying.

Pixie Just lied about me - there I said it.

I have NEVER put forward any comment stating or implying what you just said.



Stop LYING Pix.

See how low you have gone? Now, instead of arguing a point, you must LIE and make up things.

What does it say pix when you have reached so far down that your entire post is a LIE.


Jim

Oh shut it Jim. She never said you said that. She said it is the LOGICAL CONCLUSION of your severe TrumpOCD. Now, if you accuse her of lying again with such flimsy reasoning, I will report you to the mods for an infraction.

[Sam]

More proof that you don't care about the law, only whatever is necessary to ruin Trump. You're as transparent as air...

What law would have been broken if no classified information was shared?

[Bill the Cat]

conspiracy nut!

And who has the Attorney General of the US and the Secretary of State chasing down internet conspiracy fodder from Giuliani?

And who is 'ALL IN' with the same?


Talk about projection!


I'm the guy thinking Nixon was behind the Watergate break-in after the tapes came out

You're the guy that has proof we never landed on the Moon.



Jim

Whataboutism FTW!!

[Bill the Cat]

Anything to make sure the truth is covered up, right MM?

More proof that you don't care about the law, only whatever is necessary to ruin Trump. You're as transparent as air...

[Sam]

Too bad none of that actually happened...

Both of those events not only happened, they're both matters of public knowledge! We know that Trump withheld funding from Ukraine for months - that's not a contested fact. We know that Trump solicited that the Ukrainian president investigate Biden - that's a matter of record in the summary transcript that the Trump administration released.

One can (try to) argue that those two things are separate and not evidence of quid pro quo ... but to argue that none of it actually happened?

--Sam

[Bill the Cat]

What WILL stand up in the Impeachment is that the US president solicited help from a foreign country to investigate a potential 2020 political rival, whilst withholding desperately needed military aid to that country. Aid which had already been approved by Congress. It certainly seems like a quid pro quo was implied: You want your aid? Help me dig up dirt on my 2020 political rival.

Too bad none of that actually happened...

[lilpixieofterror]

It is not my job to make you notice the times I have noticed something trump did that was good. And I'm not saying it happened very many times. As I said, with Trump, the bad outweighs the good it is so bad. That is where my attention is focused - as it should be. I would be violating my conscience if I were not to speak out about the unconscionable things Trump has done and is doing.

You lied plain and simple. I've never said the things you accused me of saying. The position you ascribed to me is simply not my position. You are making things up and broadcasting them as if they are the truth - which is lying. People with integrity don't do that sort of thing, and when called on it they don't double down on it. So why are you behaving like that? Just deal with what I actually say and defend your position regarding it. There is no need to make things up, no need to lie, and you would be better off to avoid that sort of thing.

[oxmixmudd]

It is not my job to make you notice the times I have noticed something trump did that was good. And I'm not saying it happened very many times. As I said, with Trump, the bad outweighs the good it is so bad. That is where my attention is focused - as it should be. I would be violating my conscience if I were not to speak out about the unconscionable things Trump has done and is doing.


You lied plain and simple. I've never said the things you accused me of saying. The position you ascribed to me is simply not my position. You are making things up and broadcasting them as if they are the truth - which is lying. People with integrity don't do that sort of thing, and when called on it they don't double down on it. So why are you behaving like that? Just deal with what I actually say and defend your position regarding it. There is no need to make things up, no need to lie, and you would be better off to avoid that sort of thing.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

There have been a few - not many - but a few. I don't recall what they were. But I've said to my wife when it came on the news - (paraphrase) "they a making something out of nothing there".

And yet around here, you always seem to believe whatever terrible thing Trump is doing, no matter what.

In the discussions I've participated in, I have actually said "This was a good thing" a few times. The bad so outweighs the good that it's hard to remember what they were, but there have been a few.

I would have no idea what Trump, Or Clinton, or Obama is ultimately capable of. But I can answer "Do I think Trump's character is the sort of character that would do whatever is necessary to protect himself over the good of the country". And the reality is - I don't need to speculate and that, he has already made clear that is exactly the case.

[lilpixieofterror]

Can't think of anything in particular. Is there anything Trump has been accused of that you think he is guilty of doing?

[lilpixieofterror]

Pee tape.

One has to consider that the accusations against Trump (secret coordination/business dealings with Putin, campaign finance violations in paying off a woman he was having sex with while his third wife was nursing his newborn son, obstructing justice) pretty much all have a rational foundation in really good empirical evidence ... while accusations against Clinton or Obama trended toward "secret pedophile ring under a pizza parlor" or "secret Muslim Marxist who was really born in Kenya".

In short, there's a distinction between the kinds of things Trump gets accused of and the kinds of things Clinton/Obama/etc. get accused of and that distinction reveals something meaningful about the people and parties who advance 'em.

--Sam

[JimL]

Can't think of anything in particular. Is there anything Trump has been accused of that you think he is guilty of doing?

[Sam]

IIRC, one of the people putting forward the 'mastermind' theory on a regular basis (at least as regards manipulation of the media) is MM.

Alexandra Petri is always a fun read.

[Sam]

Pee tape.

One has to consider that the accusations against Trump (secret coordination/business dealings with Putin, campaign finance violations in paying off a woman he was having sex with while his third wife was nursing his newborn son, obstructing justice) pretty much all have a rational foundation in really good empirical evidence ... while accusations against Clinton or Obama trended toward "secret pedophile ring under a pizza parlor" or "secret Muslim Marxist who was really born in Kenya".

In short, there's a distinction between the kinds of things Trump gets accused of and the kinds of things Clinton/Obama/etc. get accused of and that distinction reveals something meaningful about the people and parties who advance 'em.

--Sam

[oxmixmudd]

While many have claimed that Trump is a criminal (with a felony shout-out from SDNY the most recent example) and some have claimed that Trump is a mastermind (setting a fairly low bar, I'd say), few have gone so far as to label Trump a criminal mastermind.

--Sam

IIRC, one of the people putting forward the 'mastermind' theory on a regular basis (at least as regards manipulation of the media) is MM.