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  • #76
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Not yet, yet being the key word here. But like I said FF, it is the left trying to shut down speech and punish those with opposing opinions. Fascism light is coming from the left - that is a fact, whether you see it or not.
    Unfortunately, I am not in the best position to see it as well as you do but I would be surprised if it was as bad as you think. Your man Tocqueville is an interesting fellow.
    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
    - Alexis de Tocqueville
    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
      Correcting Firstfloor's exotic vocabulary now.
      Someone should put you on the naughty step.
      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
      “not all there” - you know who you are

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      • #78
        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
        Unfortunately, I am not in the best position to see it as well as you do but I would be surprised if it was as bad as you think. Your man Tocqueville is an interesting fellow.
        “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
        - Alexis de Tocqueville
        What FF? There is nothing to see but the facts - at every turn it is the left driving these issues, trying to get people fired or some other consequence for simply having a different opinion. And the de Tocqueville is a perfect example of the Socialistic Democrat party of today, and why they will destroy this nation.

        “Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
        ― Alexis de Tocqueville
        Last edited by seer; 05-13-2014, 01:57 PM.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #79
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          So what if he contributed money to support traditional marriage? That should be his right as a free citizen.
          Yes, and it's within the rights of other free citizens to ask that he be removed as the company sees fit. Again, I didn't agree with the decision, but there's nothing illegal about this. He isn't being imprisoned by the government for expressing an opinion.

          I think Jones' reaction to homosexual men french kissing is perfectly natural.
          Either we have different definitions of french kissing, or you didn't actually watch any video. The kisses were short and simple--they weren't drawn out or over-the-top. For a football player like Jones, who sees people suffer violent hits and concussions and broken bones and torn muscles and bloody injuries every week, it's strange that he should feel such horror and disgust at the sight of two men sharing brief kisses.

          And he still should have the right to express his disgust without fear of consequence.
          No. Neither he nor anyone else in this country ever had the right to say things without fear of consequence. The First Amendment ensures that the government can't arrest you for what you say, and even then there are still certain limits. It never promised that you could say anything without any consequences.

          Also, as I was scrolling through the thread I found this comment, which I felt warranted a response.

          Originally posted by seer View Post
          There is no, and I mean zero, evidence of Christians trying to get people fired or fined or ostracized for supporting let's say gay marriage or gay rights. The intolerance is coming from the left is far more destructive than anything coming from the conservatives.
          This is absolutely false, seer. Think about all those clergymen and leaders who've been defrocked or forced to step down after performing or condoning same-sex marriages. Think about the lead singer for the Christian band "Jars of Clay," who was heavily criticized and censored by Christian media and radio stations after expressing a favorable opinion of gay rights. And if you want an example of Christian-on-secular discrimination, there's that incident in which One Million Moms tried to force JC Penney to drop Ellen DeGeneres as company spokesperson. Some liberals certainly seem hypocritical, but it's an outright falsehood to declare that genuine intolerance is one-sided.
          Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

          I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer

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          • #80
            Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            I think you got yourself tied up in knots. I have no idea what you are on about so I hereby declare myself the winner of this little skirmish. Is that okay with you?
            I think you're in denial. You gave a definition of tolerance that you yourself do not live up to - you lost the 'skirmish' when you wrote that idiot definition. Not my fault you don't understand your own definition.

            Now, stick your fingers back in your ears and pretend you're not a hypocritical bigot - or get it in gear and figure out a definition that doesn't make you both a bigot and a hypocrite. Your choice.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by square_peg View Post
              Yes, and it's within the rights of other free citizens to ask that he be removed as the company sees fit. Again, I didn't agree with the decision, but there's nothing illegal about this. He isn't being imprisoned by the government for expressing an opinion.
              I'm not saying it was illegal, just pointing to the lack of tolerance coming from the left. Who are always demanding tolerance for their views.



              This is absolutely false, seer. Think about all those clergymen and leaders who've been defrocked or forced to step down after performing or condoning same-sex marriages. Think about the lead singer for the Christian band "Jars of Clay," who was heavily criticized and censored by Christian media and radio stations after expressing a favorable opinion of gay rights. And if you want an example of Christian-on-secular discrimination, there's that incident in which One Million Moms tried to force JC Penney to drop Ellen DeGeneres as company spokesperson. Some liberals certainly seem hypocritical, but it's an outright falsehood to declare that genuine intolerance is one-sided.
              The church is a completely different animal. Why does one have to have a particular view of a homosexual kiss to play football? As far as Ellen Degeneres you had to go back two years for that. And she didn't lose her job like the Mozilla CEO. Look at all the threads on this board, the vast, vast majority of this is coming from the left and that is fact.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                I think you're in denial. You gave a definition of tolerance that you yourself do not live up to - you lost the 'skirmish' when you wrote that idiot definition. Not my fault you don't understand your own definition.
                Now, stick your fingers back in your ears and pretend you're not a hypocritical bigot - or get it in gear and figure out a definition that doesn't make you both a bigot and a hypocrite. Your choice.
                Since you don’t seem to like my definition may I ask what yours is.
                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                “not all there” - you know who you are

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  You mean it would be OK to fire a homosexual because he supports gay marriage publicly?
                  I'm not in favor of employment at will.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                    I'm not in favor of employment at will.
                    Why?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      It's exactly what I made the poor little butter bar (Second Lieutenant) admit. It's enforced viewpoint compliance. There is no "diversity" in thought or word. You either speak what they tell you to, or else.
                      You know, it usually isn't very nice to mess with Second Lieutenants like that. They have years of bluing to overcome (we only have months of it to overcome).
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        You might be. I would recommend a self test and try to avoid calling a bigot a bigot ‘cos they are likely to call you a bigot right back.
                        http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/tests...ous-bigot-test
                        A 'quiz' that contains a bunch of 'questions' in which you either answer the way they want you to answer or else you're a bigot. Do you really think I don't recognize this type of quiz FF?
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                          Someone should put you on the naughty step.
                          Someone should throw you out of the first floor window.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                            A 'quiz' that contains a bunch of 'questions' in which you either answer the way they want you to answer or else you're a bigot. Do you really think I don't recognize this type of quiz FF?
                            Everyone’s a bit bigoted about something; and ignorant and hypocritical. I can’t say I worry much about it but I do read things from time to time that make me aware of an injustice that I had not recognized before.
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                              You don't understand the first thing about faith.
                              There is no reasoning about gods and the magic they perform. If they were reasonable they would not be gods and their actions would not be magic. What JPH is talking about is his view given the suspension of disbelief that he experiences because he is enthralled by the book. All belief comes from this position which is alongside reality and is the same that you would experience if you are engrossed in a movie or a good thriller. Because it is constantly repeated, the artificial reality of the book becomes ingrained. Religion is that sort of habit, a bit like smoking or alcohol.
                              Last edited by firstfloor; 05-14-2014, 06:58 AM.
                              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                              “not all there” - you know who you are

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                                There is no reasoning about gods and the magic they perform. If they were reasonable they would not be gods and their actions would not be magic. What JPH is talking about is his view given the suspension of disbelief that he experiences because he is enthralled by the book. All belief comes from this position which is alongside reality and is the same that you would experience if you are engrossed in a movie or a good thriller. Because it is constantly repeated, the artificial realty of the book becomes ingrained. Religion is that sort of habit, a bit like smoking or alcohol.
                                Your problem FF, is that you can't see or will not admit that political philosophies like the one you hold can become just as ingrained and impervious to reason as any religious view. In my many discussion with you it is obvious that not only are you intolerant of the views of others, you also only give lip service to the concept of diversity. These two ideals that you so laud are the very things that you (and most on the left) do not practice.
                                Last edited by seer; 05-14-2014, 07:25 AM.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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