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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Yet she still believed it to be an acceptable judicial decision.
    Got any proof of that?

    Meanwhile,

    “One of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found.”

    Laurence Tribe — Harvard Law School. Lawyer for Al Gore in 2000.
    “The Supreme Court, 1972 Term—Foreword: Toward a Model of Roles in the Due Process of Life and Law,” 87 Harvard Law Review 1, 7 (1973).
    Jim, Roe v Wade was HORRIBLE decision. SCOTUS created "rights" out of thin air with no basis in the constitution, fact or law.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Got any proof of that?
      Yep, it's implied right in the quote that you cited. She's also made her support for abortion clear.
      Meanwhile,



      Jim, Roe v Wade was HORRIBLE decision. SCOTUS created "rights" out of thin air with no basis in the constitution, fact or law.


      What the SCOTUS didn't do was to create "rights" for a fetus. In other words they didn't determine that a fetus was a human person.
      Last edited by JimL; 10-11-2019, 05:54 PM.

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Yep, it's implied right in the quote that you cited. She's also made her support for abortion clear.
        Of course she's for abortion - but that doesn't make the SCOTUS decision correct. You must be reading that through beer glasses.

        Jim, the fact is that numerous people who are very pro-abortion fully realize that Roe v Wade was a crap decision.

        Here's another...


        “Against all odds (and, I’m afraid, against all logic), the basic holding of Roe v. Wade is secure in the Supreme Court.
        ….

        “…a freedom of choice law would guarantee abortion rights the correct way, democratically, rather than by constitutional origami.”

        “Bad Choice” The New Republic, June 13, 1994.

        “Liberal judicial activism peaked with Roe v. Wade, the 1973 abortion decision….

        Although I am pro-choice, I was taught in law school, and still believe, that Roe v. Wade is a muddle of bad reasoning and an authentic example of judicial overreaching. I also believe it was a political disaster for liberals. Roe is what first politicized religious conservatives while cutting off a political process that was legalizing abortion state by state anyway.”

        Michael Kinsley
        “ The Right’s Kind of Activism,” Washington Post, November 14, 2004.



        What the SCOTUS didn't do was to create "rights" for a fetus. In other words they didn't determine that a fetus was a human person.
        It's not up to SCOTUS to create rights at all. That's not their job. And, you might wanna debate that with Tassy.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Of course she's for abortion - but that doesn't make the SCOTUS decision correct. You must be reading that through beer glasses.
          She is a Supreme Court Justice, CP, so if she's for abortion, then she agree's with the decision that SCOTUS made, even if she doesn't appreciate their reasoning.
          Jim, the fact is that numerous people who are very pro-abortion fully realize that Roe v Wade was a crap decision.

          Here's another...


          “Against all odds (and, I’m afraid, against all logic), the basic holding of Roe v. Wade is secure in the Supreme Court.
          ….

          “…a freedom of choice law would guarantee abortion rights the correct way, democratically, rather than by constitutional origami.”

          “Bad Choice” The New Republic, June 13, 1994.

          “Liberal judicial activism peaked with Roe v. Wade, the 1973 abortion decision….

          Although I am pro-choice, I was taught in law school, and still believe, that Roe v. Wade is a muddle of bad reasoning and an authentic example of judicial overreaching. I also believe it was a political disaster for liberals. Roe is what first politicized religious conservatives while cutting off a political process that was legalizing abortion state by state anyway.”

          Michael Kinsley
          “ The Right’s Kind of Activism,” Washington Post, November 14, 2004.

          Again, he believes they came to the right conclusion/decision, but doesn't agree with reasoning behind it.


          It's not up to SCOTUS to create rights at all. That's not their job. And, you might wanna debate that with Tassy.
          Yep, that's what I said. SCOTUS didn't create any rights, therefore the aborting of a fetus isn't violating anyones right.

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          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
            She is a Supreme Court Justice, CP, so if she's for abortion, then she agree's with the decision that SCOTUS made, even if she doesn't appreciate their reasoning.
            She's allowed to have personal preferences, Jim - they don't disappear when she gets confirmed.

            Again, he believes they came to the right conclusion/decision, but doesn't agree with reasoning behind it.
            And THAT, my dear boy, opens the door for Roe v Wade to be abandoned.

            Yep, that's what I said. SCOTUS didn't create any rights, therefore the aborting of a fetus isn't violating anyones right.
            Personally, I don't think you're intelligent enough to reason through this, so I'll just let you muddle your way through this.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              “Roe, I believe, would have been more acceptable as a judicial decision if it had not gone beyond a ruling on the extreme statute before the court. … Heavy-handed judicial intervention was difficult to justify and appears to have provoked, not resolved, conflict.”

              Ruth Bader Ginsburg — Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
              North Carolina Law Review, 1985
              And yet Justice Ginsburg's actions speak louder than her words. She was one of the seven out of nine justices that supported Roe v Wade. It was NOT a close decision. Although you are correct that she wasn't entirely happy about it. She wished that "This Case Had Legalized Abortion Instead of Roe v. Wade".

              https://time.com/5354490/ruth-bader-...rg-roe-v-wade/

              So much for your cherry-picked quotes.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                It is “flawed” only for those whose religious ideology opposes abortion.
                Riiiiight, which is why the strongly pro-choice John Hart Ely (one of the most-cited legal scholars in US history, by the way) wrote an entire law review article criticizing it, saying the Supreme Court hadn't come up with ideas "this obviously lacking" since the Lochner era, which was when the Court was striking down workplace regulation laws as unconstitutional. Speaking of which:

                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                What the SCOTUS didn't do was to create "rights" for a fetus. In other words they didn't determine that a fetus was a human person.
                "But in any event, the argument that fetuses lack constitutional rights is simply irrelevant. For it has never been held or even asserted that the state interest needed to justify forcing a person to refrain from an activity, whether or not that activity is constitutionally protected, must implicate either the life or the constitutional rights of another person. Dogs are not "persons in the whole sense" nor have they constitutional rights, but that does not mean the state cannot prohibit killing them: It does not even mean the state cannot prohibit killing them in the exercise of the First Amendment right of political protest." -John Hart Ely
                Last edited by Terraceth; 10-12-2019, 12:09 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  It became the law of the land because abortionists pushed activist judges to create "rights" that were not in the Constitution.
                  Oh really.

                  I guess that the much more likely option, namely that the justices acted according to their consciences and understanding that the US Constitution protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction, is not up for consideration in your worldview. After all abortions were allowed under common law in the US until the late 19th century.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    the fact is that numerous people who are very pro-abortion fully realize that Roe v Wade was a crap decision.
                    It seems to me to be a fundamental design flaw of your country that it is so often up to unelected officials to decide what the law is going to be.

                    It is inevitable they (SCOTUS) will make plenty of bad decisions along with the good ones, and when they do so their decisions are almost impossible to ever change - you can't vote them out and replace them with officials who will actually enact the will of the people. It seems like a terrible system.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      Oh really.
                      Yes, really.

                      “One of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found.”

                      Laurence Tribe — Harvard Law School. Lawyer for Al Gore in 2000.
                      “The Supreme Court, 1972 Term—Foreword: Toward a Model of Roles in the Due Process of Life and Law,” 87 Harvard Law Review 1, 7 (1973).


                      I think Tribe trumps any anti-Christian internet any day of the week.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        It seems to me to be a fundamental design flaw of your country that it is so often up to unelected officials to decide what the law is going to be.
                        The theory, of course, is that the only way a person can become a Supreme Court Justice is by appointment and confirmation of duly elected persons.

                        It is inevitable they (SCOTUS) will make plenty of bad decisions along with the good ones, and when they do so their decisions are almost impossible to ever change - you can't vote them out and replace them with officials who will actually enact the will of the people. It seems like a terrible system.
                        It's a great system - unfortunately in the hands of terribly flawed people in an incredibly politically divided nation.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          And yet Justice Ginsburg's actions speak louder than her words.
                          Yes, her loyalty to the culture of death causes her to act in violation of her clearly stated criticism of the flawed decision. All hail Justice Ginsburg!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            I think Tribe trumps any anti-Christian internet any day of the week.
                            Regardless of what Tribe has to say, a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 77 percent of respondents said the Supreme Court should uphold the landmark decision that established a woman's right to abortion in some form.

                            https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...old-roe-v-wade

                            Yet you seem to think you are entitled to enforce your minority, religion-based ideology upon everyone else via force of law.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Yes, her loyalty to the culture of death causes her to act in violation of her clearly stated criticism of the flawed decision. All hail Justice Ginsburg!
                              It was a decision Justice Ginsburg supported nonetheless despite some reservations that it didn’t go far enough. And your “culture of death” re the termination of first trimester insensate fetuses doesn’t comport with your culture of killing conscious, sentient human beings, the US being the only Western country to maintain the barbaric practice of capital punishment.
                              Last edited by Tassman; 10-12-2019, 10:28 PM.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                It's a great system - unfortunately in the hands of terribly flawed people in an incredibly politically divided nation.
                                Um... so you're saying it would be a great system if humans were perfect and America wasn't America? Pity the "great system" wasn't designed properly to handle real life.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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