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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    To be fair, Trump is correct to say that the electoral college is a disaster for democracy, but that's by design. Our Founding Fathers didn't want a president who was chosen by popular vote because that would give too much power to the most populous states.
    If not for the EC, states with the biggest cities and densest populations would win every national election. Places like Montana and Utah may as well secede under a strict democracy.

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    • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
      Places like Montana and Utah may as well secede under a strict democracy.
      Yep...
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        If not for the EC, states with the biggest cities and densest populations would win every national election. Places like Montana and Utah may as well secede under a strict democracy.
        California would win every election, then they'd force us to poop on our streets and sidewalks!


        (Seriously, the gas compression company I was with for 10 years refused to do business in California, because they have wacky laws that -- if any business has a footprint in California, ALL of that business's locations are subject to California's labor laws --- it's downright nutty)
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
          So any third-party candidate, like Libertarian, Green, Socialist, American Independent - they're all working against democracy and for Russia?
          Only if they cause a Democrat to lose.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
            If not for the EC, states with the biggest cities and densest populations would win every national election. Places like Montana and Utah may as well secede under a strict democracy.
            Yeah the states elect the president, not the population. We are the United States of America, not the United States of California and New York.

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            • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              If not for the EC, states with the biggest cities and densest populations would win every national election. Places like Montana and Utah may as well secede under a strict democracy.
              Outside of the 4 most populous states the rest of the country would in effect be like colonies ordered around by them.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Outside of the 4 most populous states the rest of the country would in effect be like colonies ordered around by them.
                And that is what then left wants...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  You can say that about all of the Democrat candidates.
                  You could yes, if one decided to run as an independent. That's how Gore lost to Bush, and Hillary lost to Trump, even though as it turned out Gore actually won, and we ended up in Iraq creating a mess in the Middle East and trillions in debt to China. There was a suggestion that Gabbard would do that, but she's denied it.

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    But she does lose the Electoral College by ignoring key states.
                    Not to mention the votes that went to Jill Stein.

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                    • Originally posted by whag View Post
                      Um, she certainly was godawful and part of the problem. She’s in the banks’ pockets, is a horrible communicator, promotes and defends rapists and sexual harassers (Jeffrey Epstein, her husband who raped Juanita Broderick), is power hungry, SUPPORTED NAFTA, etc. She’s almost the exact same thing as Trump, minus the impulsivity. 3 million people can be in denial and/or vote for the inverse reason of Trumpers (“lesser of two evils” rationale).
                      Well, that is a matter of opinion. Personally I think she would have been heads over heels better the the Russian plant.

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                      • Originally posted by seer View Post
                        But popular votes is not how you win.
                        Right, we're still operating under an antiquated system. We don't divide up sections of a state in state elections, and there is no good reason to do the same for the country in a national election.

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                        • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Unlike Democrats who have flipflopped on all sorts of things, Trump actually acknowledged that his view has changed. Have you ever changed your mind on anything, I wonder?
                          His mind changed because he won and realized that the electoral college was to his advantage.

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Right, we're still operating under an antiquated system. We don't divide up sections of a state in state elections, and there is no good reason to do the same for the country in a national election.
                            We are the United STATES of America, Jim -- but the point you keep missing is that everybody who runs for politics knows what the rules are, and gears their entire campaign accordingly. Or should. And everybody knows there's a difference between NATIONAL and STATEWIDE offices.
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                              So any third-party candidate, like Libertarian, Green, Socialist, American Independent - they're all working against democracy and for Russia? Because that's where your logic ultimately takes you.
                              Not necessarily, it just works out that way. Worked for them in 2016, and could work again. Russia knows this, even if you don't.

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Outside of the 4 most populous states the rest of the country would in effect be like colonies ordered around by them.
                                So if the democrats win over Texas by say 100 votes, will the electoral college still be fair with respect to the smaller states?

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