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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    Jim the point is even with things like school prayer some government support for Christianity, the Ten Commandments in School, we did NOT have religious tyranny.
    But of course the bigoted infidel libtards believe that any meaningful deference to the "free exercise" clause constitutes "religious tyranny."
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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      Jim the point is even with things like school prayer some government support for Christianity, the Ten Commandments in School, we did NOT have religious tyranny.
      That's beside the point. The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause requires that government not favor or endorse one religion over others or religion over non-religion. For this reason in two landmark judgments in 1962 and 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court declared organized public school prayer to be unconstitutional.
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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        That's beside the point. The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause requires that government not favor or endorse one religion over others or religion over non-religion. For this reason in two landmark judgments in 1962 and 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court declared organized public school prayer to be unconstitutional.
        No it doesn't - it was about to instituting a federal state church when one had to worship. The Founders themselves did use tax monies to support the Christian religion, no one would have had a problem with school prayer or a display of religious symbols in government buildings. And I defy you Tass to show otherwise.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          That's beside the point. The First Amendment’s Establishment Clause requires that government not favor or endorse one religion over others or religion over non-religion. For this reason in two landmark judgments in 1962 and 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court declared organized public school prayer to be unconstitutional.
          The First Amendment's Prohibition Clause, which you stubbornly and dishonestly ignore, requires that the government shut up and stay out of religion.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            No it doesn't - it was about to instituting a federal state church when one had to worship.
            No, it implies that the federal government can not favor one church/religion over another, and by allowing christian led prayer in public schools, or levying taxes to support christian churches/sects, the federal government would be doing just that.


            The Founders themselves did use tax monies to support the Christian religion, no one would have had a problem with school prayer or a display of religious symbols in government buildings. And I defy you Tass to show otherwise.
            They obviously had a problem with it, even if they didn't fully recognize the problem or practice what they preached at the time.

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            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
              No, it implies that the federal government can not favor one church/religion over another, and by allowing christian led prayer in public schools, or levying taxes to support christian churches/sects, the federal government would be doing just that.
              And the second part says that Congress will keep their nose out of religion.

              They obviously had a problem with it, even if they didn't fully recognize the problem or practice what they preached at the time.
              Which is why Congress (both houses) STILL employ chaplains for their own sessions, open every session with prayer, and employ Chaplains for the Military....
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                And the second part says that Congress will keep their nose out of religion.
                The Judicial and the Congress are 2 separate branches, CP.


                Which is why Congress (both houses) STILL employ chaplains for their own sessions, open every session with prayer, and employ Chaplains for the Military....
                Ah, I see, you're under the mistaken idea that chaplain=christian.

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                • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  The Judicial and the Congress are 2 separate branches, CP.
                  All this battle is based on the first amendment, which includes the prohibition clause, Jimmy --- which says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."[/quote]

                  Ah, I see, you're under the mistaken idea that chaplain=christian.
                  I never said "Christian" chaplain, Jimmy - and since I actually AM one, I'm well aware they come in all flavors. But, in the beginning, they were - indeed - Christian chaplains, paid for with government funds.
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Ah, I see, you're under the mistaken idea that chaplain=christian.
                    Originally they were...
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      No, it implies that the federal government can not favor one church/religion over another, and by allowing christian led prayer in public schools, or levying taxes to support christian churches/sects, the federal government would be doing just that.



                      They obviously had a problem with it, even if they didn't fully recognize the problem or practice what they preached at the time.
                      No they didn't. Since those things did not violate the language - Congress shall make no LAW.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • Originally posted by seer View Post
                        No they didn't. Since those things did not violate the language - Congress shall make no LAW.
                        I think this is yet another case where Jimmy believes his LiberalTalkingPointsForIdiots and his "truth" is more important than facts.
                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          I think this is yet another case where Jimmy believes his LiberalTalkingPointsForIdiots and his "truth" is more important than facts.
                          Those pesky facts...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            All this battle is based on the first amendment, which includes the prohibition clause, Jimmy --- which says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."
                            Correct, and Congress didn't prohibit the free exercise thereof, The Supreme Court ruled it, prayer in schools, unconstitutional.


                            I never said "Christian" chaplain, Jimmy - and since I actually AM one, I'm well aware they come in all flavors. But, in the beginning, they were - indeed - Christian chaplains, paid for with government funds.
                            So what if in the beginning they were, that doesn't change the ideal as set down in the Constitution. When the country became more diverse so did the employ of chaplains of all religious beliefs in accord with the ideal as writ in the Constitution. And btw, they are employed/paid as chaplains, not as preachers, and Conress gets to choose their chaplains.

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Originally they were...
                              Originally they were not preachers, they were clerics.

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                                No they didn't. Since those things did not violate the language - Congress shall make no LAW.
                                Congress didn't make a law, seer, They didn't have to, it's already (the Establishment Clause) in the Constitution. Prayer in public schools would be respecting the establishment of a religion. And levying taxes in support of any particular religious Institution would be respecting the establishment of religion. Do you think you should have to pay taxes to support a religious institution that you don't believe in? No, I didn't think so. Neither would that agree with the Constitution.
                                Last edited by JimL; 09-30-2019, 01:03 AM.

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