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[lilpixieofterror]

It comes from and is connected to a womans body which makes it part of a womans body. And DNA is contained in the cells of all things, in itself it does not a human being define.

Making up your own biological definitions now Jimmy? Where did you pull that one from?

[lilpixieofterror]

A fetal growth, part of a womans body, that has the possibility of becoming a human person.

[JimL]

No, Jim, is is NOT "part of a woman's body". It is actually a human being, having its very own unique DNA.

It comes from and is connected to a womans body which makes it part of a womans body. And DNA is contained in the cells of all things, in itself it does not a human being define.

[Cow Poke]

A fetal growth, part of a womans body, that has the possibility of becoming a human person.

No, Jim, is is NOT "part of a woman's body". It is actually a human being, having its very own unique DNA.

[JimL]

So what is killed, during an abortion?

A fetal growth, part of a womans body, that has the possibility of becoming a human person.

[lilpixieofterror]

The fact that we disagree about what abortion is and what is truly going on, is noted.

So what is killed, during an abortion?

[Cow Poke]

And that makes a difference, why?

Because you attempted to minimize their role in abortion. It's what they do. And, sure, the also provide "other services", which they grossly exaggerate by listing every single separate thing they do as "a service".

[JimL]

Your twisted logic, to cover up what abortion is, the killing of ones child, is truly sickening. Your justification in falling back on legal terms and ignoring what truly is going on, is noted.

The fact that we disagree about what abortion is and what is truly going on, is noted.

[JimL]

Of course, because "Abortions R Us" would have been too provocative.

They are the nation's largest abortion provider.

Glenn Grothman says Planned Parenthood is leading abortion provider

And that makes a difference, why? They are the largest provider of womens health services, so it only makes sense that they would be the largest abortion provider. That has nothing to do with the issue of whether they make abortions themselves safer and rarer.

[Cow Poke]

None of this alters the FACT that until 50 years ago at the time of the Roe decision the overwhelming response was silence, even approval by the SBC.

It wasn't "overwhelming silence", you dunderhead. It simply wasn't much of an issue when it was thought that abortion might be necessary on rare occasions, then Roe v Wade made ABORTION ON DEMAND a hot topic, and became a major issue.

But, do continue your Drama Queen hate rant against Southern Baptists -- we wouldn't recognize you without it.

[lilpixieofterror]

It isn't a pro-abortion crowd, it's a pro choice crowd, meaning that it is no one elses business what any woman decides to do with her own body. You don't have to agree with her, but you are not her, it's her body, her life, and her business. It's true that the fetus could become a human person at some point during the pregnancy, and that time has been determined by the court. To argue, as many do, that it becomes a human person at conception is ridiculous.

Your twisted logic, to cover up what abortion is, the killing of ones child, is truly sickening. Your justification in falling back on legal terms and ignoring what truly is going on, is noted.

[rogue06]

Do you even read what you post? The above is basically about maternal mortality rates, not the rate of abortions, other than opining that "restrictive laws may have a restraining effect" on the practice of abortion.

You brought up mortality rates and since the whole purpose of an abortion is to kill the baby the one we have to look at is the maternal mortality rate. And what we see is that abortion advocates were wrong in their claim that restricting abortion would lead to a surge in deaths for the mothers. In fact the exact opposite took place. After outlawing abortions in Chile they experienced "a 92.3% decrease since 1989 and a 99.1% accumulated decrease over 50 years" which means that the country now has "one of the lowest abortion-related maternal deaths in the world."

[Tassman]

And this is yet another example of your profound ignorance of all things Southern baptist. Our denomination was on a very liberal slide until the late 70's / early 80's, when there was a significant conservative resurgence (in which I played a part ). You're liable to find a number of statements from those days which do not represent our convention today. Most of the liberals bailed, and formed their own convention.

None of this alters the FACT that until 50 years ago at the time of the Roe decision the overwhelming response was silence, even approval by the SBC. Which in turn reflected the attitude common throughout most of Judeo/Christian history. Namely, that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became a complete individual person.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...origins-107133

The rampant moral outrage at abortion among Southern Baptists nowadays is a recent invention.

[Cow Poke]

This was the position of your denomination until 50 years ago...at the time of the Roe decision the overwhelming response was silence, even approval.

And this is yet another example of your profound ignorance of all things Southern baptist. Our denomination was on a very liberal slide until the late 70's / early 80's, when there was a significant conservative resurgence (in which I played a part ). You're liable to find a number of statements from those days which do not represent our convention today. Most of the liberals bailed, and formed their own convention.

In addition, Criswell became very much pro-life, as did the "Roe" in Roe v Wade.

As the 1970s progressed, Land, Lewis and thousands of individual Southern Baptists -- including the organization Southern Baptists for Life -- argued for protecting unborn life in all cases except to save the physical life of the mother. Among non-Southern Baptists, apologist Francis Schaeffer and future U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop argued that abortion was immoral and gained increased support for the pro-life cause.

Southern Baptists as prominent as W.A. Criswell, pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, began to shift from a qualified pro-choice view to fully embrace the pro-life position.

Following the Roe v. Wade decision, news sources reported that Criswell said, "I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed."

But, according to Land, Criswell "listened intently" to pro-life arguments during the ensuing years, including arguments Land made while teaching at Criswell College beginning in 1975. When the "Criswell Study Bible" was published in 1979, Criswell included "overtly pro-life" study notes, Land said.

Mirroring Criswell's change of mind were similar changes in the broader evangelical world. Theologians Carl Henry and Norman Geisler, for example, both became ardently pro-life.

"Some of our pastors in those years hadn't really studied what Scripture said about abortion," Jerry Vines, former SBC president and retired pastor of First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., told BP. "But I think the carnage [of increased abortion following Roe v. Wade] drove them back to their Bibles to take a further look at it."

Studying a Greek word from the New Testament "really nailed down the abortion issue for me," Vines said.

The word "brephos," translated as "baby," is used eight times in the New Testament, Vines said. Six of those occurrences refer to children who have already been born, but two speak of John the Baptist in his mother's womb.

"That's pretty convincing evidence that Scripture looks on a baby in its mother's womb as a baby," said Vines, who also noted Jeremiah 1 and Psalm 139 as convincing pro-life passages.
source - Baptist Press

It was, in fact, the Roe decision that caused many Southern Baptist pastors and leaders to reexamine the abortion issue and become pro-life.

It was a quote, actually, as linked.

You need better sources.

But it was what the two-term elected president of the Southern Baptist Convention, pastor Criswell, actually said that was significant and which you are avoiding with your calculated nit-picking. I suggest you go back and read what he said as provided at least twice previously.

"calculated nit-picking"? What a Drama Queen.

And, again, you demonstrate your profound ignorance of all things Southern Baptist.

The President of the Southern Baptist Convention does not serve as a pope in any sense of the word. And though you seem to think that "two-term elected" is something incredibly special, it's actually pretty standard for a president to serve 2) one year terms. It's pretty much tradition. His main job is to serve as moderator at our annual meetings, but it is the body that decides the future of the SBC, not the president.

Criswell was a man who was certainly entitled to his opinion, and shortly after Roe v Wade, and largely BECAUSE of Roe v Wade, he became very much pro-life.

[Tassman]

The pro-abortion crowd only cares about keeping abortion legal and if anything wants to increase abortions:

Gotta love your endless cherry-picked spin...the longer it is the truer it must be. Is that your rationale?

The vast majority of the