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    Unless you live in a vacuum you have heard about several vaping deaths and hundreds of people (mostly kids) with lung problems from vaping. Trump has said he is thinking about banning flavored vaping liquids to discourage teens from vaping.


    Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related deaths

    The Trump administration is preparing to ban flavored e-cigarettes as federal health officials call for restrictions to combat an outbreak of a mysterious lung disease that has sickened hundreds and killed at least six people, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told reporters Wednesday.

    The Food and Drug Administration is currently finalizing its guidance to remove all non-tobacco flavors of e-cigarettes, including mint and menthol, from the market within 30 days. Companies might be able to reintroduce their flavors at a later date, so long as they submit a formal application and receive approval from the FDA.

    Vaping companies such as Juul have been criticized for hooking children on e-cigarettes with flavors such as mango and creme. The surge in underage vaping, which U.S. health officials have labeled as an “epidemic,” is one of the reasons why they plan to ban them — at least until the FDA can thoroughly review their safety, Azar said after meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House on the issue.

    “The Trump Administration is making it clear that we intend to clear the market of flavored e-cigarettes to reverse the deeply concerning epidemic of youth e-cigarette use that is impacting children, families, schools and communities,” Azar said in a statement. “We will not stand idly by as these products become an on-ramp to combustible cigarettes or nicotine addiction for a generation of youth.”

    It could take the FDA several weeks to develop the guidelines, Azar told reporters outside the White House with acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless.

    Shares of Altria, which owns a 35% stake in e-cigarette company Juul, fell by less than 1%, while competitors PMI Group, Japan Tobacco, British American Tobacco and Imperial Brands all rose by between 1% and 3% in midday trading.

    A Juul spokesman told CNBC on Wednesday, “We strongly agree with the need for aggressive category-wide action on flavored products. We will fully comply with the final FDA policy when effective.”

    Azar said they want to keep tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes on the market for adults who may be using them to quit smoking. The FDA has embraced e-cigarettes as a less harmful way for smokers to satisfy their nicotine addiction than smoking cigarettes. Skyrocketing numbers of minors started using the products, forcing the FDA to reverse course.

    “If we find that children start surging into tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes or if we find marketing practices that target children and try to attract them into tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes, we will engage in enforcement actions there also,” he told reporters.

    The effort to ban flavored e-cigarettes has started picking up momentum. Michigan, San Francisco, and Boulder, Colorado, have banned flavored e-cigarettes. Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire and former New York mayor, pledged $160 million to help enact similar restrictions around the country.

    The FDA was supposed to start reviewing e-cigarettes, a relatively new market, last summer until former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb pushed back the review until 2022. The proposal outlined Wednesday essentially moves the FDA’s timeline to review flavors up to this year. All companies must submit applications in May 2020 per a federal court judge’s ruling issued in July.

    Preliminary data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s annual survey of teens showed more than a quarter of high school students used e-cigarettes within the past 30 days, with the “overwhelming majority” saying they vaped fruit and menthol or mint flavors, HHS said in a press release.

    The FDA is in the process of banning menthol cigarettes.

    Regulators have blamed the teen vaping “epidemic” on one e-cigarette manufacturer in particular, Juul. The San Francisco-based company makes a sleek device and flavors including mango, creme and fruit. Its cartridges pack a powerful punch, with one pod delivering as much nicotine as a pack of cigarettes. Former White House spokesman Josh Raffel joined Juul’s communications team last year.

    Gottlieb labeled teen vaping an “epidemic” almost exactly a year ago. Under Gottlieb, the FDA moved to limit sales of fruity flavors to age-restricted stores, such as vape shops. Lawmakers and public health groups have urged the agency to do more, with Minority Whip Dick Durbin last week telling Sharpless to take “decisive action” or else resign.

    “Finally, the FDA is doing its job,” Durbin said in a statement Wednesday.

    American Vaping Association President Gregory Conley criticized the planned ban, saying in a statement it would “remove life-changing options from the market.”

    Wednesday’s announcement comes as members of Congress increasingly pressure the administration to rein in the e-cigarette industry.

    The CDC is investigating more than 450 cases of lung disease officials suspect were caused by vaping.

    Some officials have honed in on a vitamin E oil that’s been added to some THC vaping products as a possible cause. Regardless, the outbreak has fueled calls to restrict the e-cigarette industry amid what regulators are calling an “epidemic” of teen vaping.

    Trump called on the FDA to get to the bottom of the outbreak.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/trum...g-disease.html


    So, is this a good thing or is it overreaching government nannying, like when NY wanted to ban sugary drinks (colas) to for the people's own good?
    12
    These things are dangerous so we need to ban them
    8.33%
    1
    The government should stay out of our personal choices
    58.33%
    7
    I have no opinion. Meh.
    33.33%
    4


  • #2
    Just proves that Trump is a tyrant!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      Just proves that Trump is a tyrant!
      Most liberals are claiming such.

      But it's OK to ban guns because they are dangerous! And sugary drinks. And meat. and planes. and cows. all for our own good.

      ...but we should legalize pot.

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      • #4
        Pot has been legal here for nearly a year, but flavoured vape stuff has already been banned (I think, or maybe they've just been talking about it).

        Thankfully, Kasha told me last time she was here that smoking anything is really bad for you. Good on you, Mommy and Daddy!
        Last edited by mossrose; 09-12-2019, 10:29 AM.


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        • #5
          I have heard that the people getting sick from vaping have all been vaping THC based products (the active ingredient in marijuana) - if that is true then there is no need to ban the flavored store bought stuff - at least not without testing it first.

          Also a lot of the flavored stuff comes without nicotine (you can get it both ways)

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          • #6
            Last I heard, it was the ones with butter flavouring that were making people sick. It is an additive that used to be used in microwave popcorn until the manufacturers noticed their workers who handled the stuff were getting very sick from breathing it in. They voluntarily stopped using it, but now it's in vaping liquid and people are breathing it in and getting sick. Look up "popcorn lung".
            Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by QuantaFille View Post
              Last I heard, it was the ones with butter flavouring that were making people sick. It is an additive that used to be used in microwave popcorn until the manufacturers noticed their workers who handled the stuff were getting very sick from breathing it in. They voluntarily stopped using it, but now it's in vaping liquid and people are breathing it in and getting sick. Look up "popcorn lung".


              found this article:

              What Causes Popcorn Lung?

              The chemical that gave this condition its nickname is diacetyl. After workers at a factory that packaged microwave popcorn were found to have bronchiolitis obliterans more often than other people, some companies stopped using diacetyl as a flavoring. But it's still used in some electronic cigarette flavors in the US. Many e-cigarette makers state they aren't using this chemical in their products and its use in e-cigarettes is banned in Europe.

              Another common cause is acetaldehyde, a chemical found in the smoke from marijuana and some electronic cigarettes. Acetaldehyde also can damage the lining of your mouth, throat, and stomach.
              https://www.webmd.com/lung/popcorn-lung#1

              So if it is this diacetyl, the answer is to ban it, not the e-cigs. It also says that the acetaldeyde is found in marijuana which the article I posted earlier says seems to be the common denominator in many of the cases.

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              • #8
                Vaping has killed fewer than ten people while helping people quit smoking cigarettes, which has killed millions. Better ban it!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  Vaping has killed fewer than ten people while helping people quit smoking cigarettes, which has killed millions. Better ban it!
                  I get the feeling they have been looking for an excuse to ban vaping and now that they have this, they are going all out.

                  I find the habit annoying, with people blowing out these huge billowing clouds of vapor.

                  But if it really IS causing people to get sick, does that mean the "second-hand vapor" can too? If so, then it no longer is a matter of taking your own health in your hands you could be endangering people around you. This seems to be a pretty quick acting illness, unlike cancer which could take decades to occur.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Unless you live in a vacuum you have heard about several vaping deaths and hundreds of people (mostly kids) with lung problems from vaping. Trump has said he is thinking about banning flavored vaping liquids to discourage teens from vaping.


                    Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related deaths

                    The Trump administration is preparing to ban flavored e-cigarettes as federal health officials call for restrictions to combat an outbreak of a mysterious lung disease that has sickened hundreds and killed at least six people, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told reporters Wednesday.

                    The Food and Drug Administration is currently finalizing its guidance to remove all non-tobacco flavors of e-cigarettes, including mint and menthol, from the market within 30 days. Companies might be able to reintroduce their flavors at a later date, so long as they submit a formal application and receive approval from the FDA.

                    Vaping companies such as Juul have been criticized for hooking children on e-cigarettes with flavors such as mango and creme. The surge in underage vaping, which U.S. health officials have labeled as an “epidemic,” is one of the reasons why they plan to ban them — at least until the FDA can thoroughly review their safety, Azar said after meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House on the issue.

                    “The Trump Administration is making it clear that we intend to clear the market of flavored e-cigarettes to reverse the deeply concerning epidemic of youth e-cigarette use that is impacting children, families, schools and communities,” Azar said in a statement. “We will not stand idly by as these products become an on-ramp to combustible cigarettes or nicotine addiction for a generation of youth.”

                    It could take the FDA several weeks to develop the guidelines, Azar told reporters outside the White House with acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless.

                    Shares of Altria, which owns a 35% stake in e-cigarette company Juul, fell by less than 1%, while competitors PMI Group, Japan Tobacco, British American Tobacco and Imperial Brands all rose by between 1% and 3% in midday trading.

                    A Juul spokesman told CNBC on Wednesday, “We strongly agree with the need for aggressive category-wide action on flavored products. We will fully comply with the final FDA policy when effective.”

                    Azar said they want to keep tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes on the market for adults who may be using them to quit smoking. The FDA has embraced e-cigarettes as a less harmful way for smokers to satisfy their nicotine addiction than smoking cigarettes. Skyrocketing numbers of minors started using the products, forcing the FDA to reverse course.

                    “If we find that children start surging into tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes or if we find marketing practices that target children and try to attract them into tobacco-flavored e-cigarettes, we will engage in enforcement actions there also,” he told reporters.

                    The effort to ban flavored e-cigarettes has started picking up momentum. Michigan, San Francisco, and Boulder, Colorado, have banned flavored e-cigarettes. Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire and former New York mayor, pledged $160 million to help enact similar restrictions around the country.

                    The FDA was supposed to start reviewing e-cigarettes, a relatively new market, last summer until former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb pushed back the review until 2022. The proposal outlined Wednesday essentially moves the FDA’s timeline to review flavors up to this year. All companies must submit applications in May 2020 per a federal court judge’s ruling issued in July.

                    Preliminary data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s annual survey of teens showed more than a quarter of high school students used e-cigarettes within the past 30 days, with the “overwhelming majority” saying they vaped fruit and menthol or mint flavors, HHS said in a press release.

                    The FDA is in the process of banning menthol cigarettes.

                    Regulators have blamed the teen vaping “epidemic” on one e-cigarette manufacturer in particular, Juul. The San Francisco-based company makes a sleek device and flavors including mango, creme and fruit. Its cartridges pack a powerful punch, with one pod delivering as much nicotine as a pack of cigarettes. Former White House spokesman Josh Raffel joined Juul’s communications team last year.

                    Gottlieb labeled teen vaping an “epidemic” almost exactly a year ago. Under Gottlieb, the FDA moved to limit sales of fruity flavors to age-restricted stores, such as vape shops. Lawmakers and public health groups have urged the agency to do more, with Minority Whip Dick Durbin last week telling Sharpless to take “decisive action” or else resign.

                    “Finally, the FDA is doing its job,” Durbin said in a statement Wednesday.

                    American Vaping Association President Gregory Conley criticized the planned ban, saying in a statement it would “remove life-changing options from the market.”

                    Wednesday’s announcement comes as members of Congress increasingly pressure the administration to rein in the e-cigarette industry.

                    The CDC is investigating more than 450 cases of lung disease officials suspect were caused by vaping.

                    Some officials have honed in on a vitamin E oil that’s been added to some THC vaping products as a possible cause. Regardless, the outbreak has fueled calls to restrict the e-cigarette industry amid what regulators are calling an “epidemic” of teen vaping.

                    Trump called on the FDA to get to the bottom of the outbreak.
                    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/trum...g-disease.html


                    So, is this a good thing or is it overreaching government nannying, like when NY wanted to ban sugary drinks (colas) to for the people's own good?

                    This seems to me to be a good thing.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      I get the feeling they have been looking for an excuse to ban vaping and now that they have this, they are going all out.

                      I find the habit annoying, with people blowing out these huge billowing clouds of vapor.

                      But if it really IS causing people to get sick, does that mean the "second-hand vapor" can too? If so, then it no longer is a matter of taking your own health in your hands you could be endangering people around you. This seems to be a pretty quick acting illness, unlike cancer which could take decades to occur.
                      I think they are just banning the flavored ones, not the tobacco related ones. However it is a bit of misplaced priorities to act so quickly to deal with an apparently previously unknown hazard of vaping but not try to do anything about people mowing down innocents with guns ...

                      Jim
                      He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

                      "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        I think they are just banning the flavored ones, not the tobacco related ones. However it is a bit of misplaced priorities to act so quickly to deal with an apparently previously unknown hazard of vaping but not try to do anything about people mowing down innocents with guns ...

                        Jim
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Most liberals are claiming such.

                          But it's OK to ban guns because they are dangerous! And sugary drinks. And meat. and planes. and cows. all for our own good.

                          ...but we should legalize pot.
                          How could you forget to include plastic straws?


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            Most liberals are claiming such.

                            But it's OK to ban guns because they are dangerous! And sugary drinks. And meat. and planes. and cows. all for our own good.

                            ...but we should legalize pot.
                            Who has actually proposed banning meat on a federal level? I don't mean discouraging, I mean banning.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              Who has actually proposed banning meat on a federal level? I don't mean discouraging, I mean banning.
                              well I was using some hyperbole, but some of the democrat candidates have said we need to limit meat if not ban it outright, and AOC was talking about eliminating cows.


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                              Kamala Harris ...was asked by an audience member if she supports changing “dietary guidelines to reduce the consumption of red meat in light of the impact of climate change.”

                              After first making it clear that “we have a problem in America,” Harris responded, “The answer is yes.”

                              “The balance that we have to strike here, frankly, is about what government can and should do around creating incentives and then banning certain behaviors,” she said.

                              Asked again, if elected, if she’d back “changing the dietary guidelines,” the Democratic senator said she would, in regards to red meat consumption.
                              https://ijr.com/2020-democrats-mull-...limate-change/

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