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    Media Ignores Climate Alarmist’s Court Loss — It Doesn’t Fit The Warmist Agenda

    It's the hockey stick guy!

    Last week, a Canadian court tossed out a lawsuit in which Michael Mann, the researcher who published the idolized hockey stick temperature chart, had sued another researcher for libel. Did the mainstream media run with this story? Of course not. That would ruin the narrative.

    Mann became famous for the chart, which showed temperatures running along in a horizontal fashion before spiking at the beginning of the 20th century. It was the “evidence” the global warming alarmists had been waiting for — “science” that showed human activity was overheating Earth. It was included in at least one United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report.

    Not all were convinced, however. There were questions about the data he used to create the stick, which he wouldn’t release. It has been called “100% fraudulent,” an “artifact of poor mathematics,” and a violation of “of scientific standards.”

    Mann has been accused of engaging in “data manipulation,” and “academic and scientific misconduct.”

    Some years after the stick was constructed, Canadian statisticians Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick challenged Mann’s work. They argued the “recent paleoclimate reconstruction by Mann et al. does not provide reliable evidence about climate change over the past millennium, because their data are inconsistent and their confidence intervals are wrong.”

    Climate researcher Tim Ball even went so deep as to say that Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State,” where Mann conducts research. Ball found out that was the wrong thing to say. Mann sued him in Canada.

    Ball, however, beat Mann in court. The case was dismissed Friday. Almost immediately, Ball wrote to Anthony Watts of the wattsupwiththat website, telling him “Mann’s case against me was dismissed this morning by the (British Columbia) Supreme Court and they awarded me (court) costs.” According to John Hinderaker, an attorney and PowerLine blog contributor, the case was thrown out “with prejudice.”

    “What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it,” Hinderaker wrote. “Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.”

    John O’Sullivan at Principia Scientific International believes the “extraordinary outcome will likely trigger severe legal repercussions for Dr. Mann in the U.S. and may prove fatal to alarmist climate science claims that modern temperatures are ‘unprecedented.'”

    Big news, right? Not in the U.S. The media that acts as the climate hysterics’ public relations arm has ignored the case.

    So it’s just a Canadian story, then? Not hardly. The U.S. media played the hockey stick as an American/Western/global story. What happens to its author in a courtroom should be U.S. news.

    It’s plausible that the media have deserted Mann. Several mainstream outlets sided with the Competitive Enterprise Institute and National Review, which the litigious Mann had sued for defamation. They were concerned that allowing the lawsuit to go forward would be a threat to First Amendment freedoms.

    But the lack of coverage would be the same if any climate alarmist had suffered a legal loss. If we might paraphrase the brilliant “Jim Treacher,” journalism today is all about which facts the public shouldn’t know because they might reflect poorly on the global warming narrative. The silence is wholly predictable.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    This is the first I've heard of it.

    You'd think if he had the evidence he'd have produced it. Watts up with that?


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    • #3
      Originally posted by mossrose View Post
      This is the first I've heard of it.

      You'd think if he had the evidence he'd have produced it. Watts up with that?
      The alarmists will be here shortly to answer your concerns.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        The alarmists will be here shortly to answer your concerns.

        I expect.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
          This is the first I've heard of it.

          You'd think if he had the evidence he'd have produced it. Watts up with that?
          Because they weren't smart enough to understand the information obviously! /sarcasm

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          • #6
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              I expect.
              The preacher trolls science because he's got a chip on his shoulder about education, mossy. Just ignore him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
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                That's exactly the sort of spin we've come to expect from Michael Mann.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Media Ignores Climate Alarmist’s Court Loss — It Doesn’t Fit The Warmist Agenda

                  “What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it,” Hinderaker wrote. “Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.”
                  Really why wouldn't Mann produce his research? What was he hiding?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Really why wouldn't Mann produce his research? What was he hiding?
                    The data have always been available, seer.

                    ETA ... okay, there was a germ of truth in this. Mann's research used datasets from a wide variety of sources, some of which were proprietary. The vast majority were always available.
                    Last edited by Juvenal; 08-30-2019, 10:22 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Media Ignores Climate Alarmist’s Court Loss — It Doesn’t Fit The Warmist Agenda

                      It's the hockey stick guy!

                      Last week, a Canadian court tossed out a lawsuit in which Michael Mann, the researcher who published the idolized hockey stick temperature chart, had sued another researcher for libel. Did the mainstream media run with this story? Of course not. That would ruin the narrative.

                      Mann became famous for the chart, which showed temperatures running along in a horizontal fashion before spiking at the beginning of the 20th century. It was the “evidence” the global warming alarmists had been waiting for — “science” that showed human activity was overheating Earth. It was included in at least one United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report.

                      Not all were convinced, however. There were questions about the data he used to create the stick, which he wouldn’t release. It has been called “100% fraudulent,” an “artifact of poor mathematics,” and a violation of “of scientific standards.”

                      Mann has been accused of engaging in “data manipulation,” and “academic and scientific misconduct.”

                      Some years after the stick was constructed, Canadian statisticians Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick challenged Mann’s work. They argued the “recent paleoclimate reconstruction by Mann et al. does not provide reliable evidence about climate change over the past millennium, because their data are inconsistent and their confidence intervals are wrong.”

                      Climate researcher Tim Ball even went so deep as to say that Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State,” where Mann conducts research. Ball found out that was the wrong thing to say. Mann sued him in Canada.

                      Ball, however, beat Mann in court. The case was dismissed Friday. Almost immediately, Ball wrote to Anthony Watts of the wattsupwiththat website, telling him “Mann’s case against me was dismissed this morning by the (British Columbia) Supreme Court and they awarded me (court) costs.” According to John Hinderaker, an attorney and PowerLine blog contributor, the case was thrown out “with prejudice.”

                      “What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it,” Hinderaker wrote. “Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.”

                      John O’Sullivan at Principia Scientific International believes the “extraordinary outcome will likely trigger severe legal repercussions for Dr. Mann in the U.S. and may prove fatal to alarmist climate science claims that modern temperatures are ‘unprecedented.'”

                      Big news, right? Not in the U.S. The media that acts as the climate hysterics’ public relations arm has ignored the case.

                      So it’s just a Canadian story, then? Not hardly. The U.S. media played the hockey stick as an American/Western/global story. What happens to its author in a courtroom should be U.S. news.

                      It’s plausible that the media have deserted Mann. Several mainstream outlets sided with the Competitive Enterprise Institute and National Review, which the litigious Mann had sued for defamation. They were concerned that allowing the lawsuit to go forward would be a threat to First Amendment freedoms.

                      But the lack of coverage would be the same if any climate alarmist had suffered a legal loss. If we might paraphrase the brilliant “Jim Treacher,” journalism today is all about which facts the public shouldn’t know because they might reflect poorly on the global warming narrative. The silence is wholly predictable.
                      The political fodder/legal haranging is of little interest to me, however, though the Mann reconstruction has been found to have statistical flaws, those flaws make little difference in the reconstruction itself or - more importantly - it's overall conclusion that we are warmer now than any time in at least the last 1000 years.

                      This is another case if anti-climate pseudo-science and mania trying to invalidate legitimate science. What should have happened is that that the mistakes made should have been pointed out through additional papers and research and the final output adjusted to reflect them. In fact, outside the mania of the pseudo-scientists working from their preconceived notions rather than the implications of the data, that is exactly what has happened.

                      Source: above

                      Most researchers would agree that while the original hockey stick can – and has – been improved in a number of ways, it was not far off the mark. Most later temperature reconstructions fall within the error bars of the original hockey stick. Some show far more variability leading up to the 20th century than the hockey stick, but none suggest that it has been warmer at any time in the past 1000 years than in the last part of the 20th century.

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                      https://www.newscientist.com/article...-proven-wrong/

                      Current proxies following mann.jpg


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                      Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-30-2019, 10:23 AM.
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                      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                        The data have always been available, seer.
                        Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.”

                        So what were these?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
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                          Sounds like he is just trying to reframe it to save face. What CP posted didn't say anything about "winning" the lawsuit. It said it was dismissed. BECAUSE MANN refused to provide the data. Which he knew would show him a fraud. So rather than be exposed as a fraud, he refused and the case was dismissed. That pretty much tells us that he is a fraud.

                          Where's the beef?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.”

                            So what were these?
                            It's a nonsense claim, you see these things in the fringosphere. This isn't a news site. No editorial controls, so nobody's there to keep them from making stuff up.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Sounds like he is just trying to reframe it to save face. What CP posted didn't say anything about "winning" the lawsuit. It said it was dismissed. BECAUSE MANN refused to provide the data. Which he knew would show him a fraud. So rather than be exposed as a fraud, he refused and the case was dismissed. That pretty much tells us that he is a fraud.

                              Where's the beef?
                              If it were true that he didn't produce documents (ordered 8 years ago, causing the case to be dismissed now .. it's not even a coherent lie), yeah, it sure would make him look like a fraud.

                              Me, I'm thinking since I've actually seen the data, worked the data ... hell, remember when Leonhard pulled them down? ... it's the fringe site that's being dishonest here.

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