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  • #46
    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    It isnt funny when you support and encourage ignorance. You are supporting MM's and others on this website ignorant buy in to the idea the temperature data and the incontrovertable warming signal it contains is invalid. That is itself ignorant and irresponsible, especially because you know better.

    Jim
    Speaking of ignorance, you don't even know what my position is.

    There is evidence that climate change is happening, but then, climate change is always happening. However, there is no evidence of unusual or "catastrophic" warming, and certainly no evidence that man is having a significant impact on global temperatures. Finally, we know beyond any doubt that certain organizations have monkeyed up the temperature data to the point that it's more fiction than fact.

    ("Adjusting" current readings may be justified, to account for known factors, but "adjusting" readings from decades ago to bring them in line with biased predictions and sketchy computer models? I'd love to see the secular scientific community let creationists get away with that kind of nonsense!)
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #47
      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      First, a significant warming signal exists in the raw data - unadjusted.
      Of course, because many temperature stations today are located in urban environments, and stations in rural and colder regions have been quietly decommissioned, or simply never existed. And yet organizations like NOAA and the fraudulent IPCC still feel the need to adjust current temperatures UP. It's a scientific farce!
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #48
        Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
        That’s pretty dumb FF considering that earth has had extremes hot periods where there was little to no glaciers and extreme cold periods were it is possible the entire planet was covered in ice. You should know how the oceans carry heat across the planet via ocean currents and how the jet streams do it via the atmosphere and some predictions do say global warming could be responsible for ice ages since some theories suggest global warming can change up the ocean currents and jet streams leading to wider temp extremes between the tropics and the poles.
        I know that it’s complicated. Volcanoes, meteor impacts, plate tectonics, plant and animal life, and no doubt many other things, affect the climate. They do so because they change something. The present episode of rapid climate change is due to changes in the concentration of gases in the atmosphere. The change goes to where the new equilibrium is; a moving target to be sure.

        Put aside for a moment that the details are hard to get at because the Earth is a complicated thing; the drive towards an equilibrium temperature is no different to putting a piece of iron on a hot fire. It will reach a temperature when it radiates as much heat as it absorbs.

        Human beings were not around the last time that the Earth was as hot as it’s going to be. We might not cope when it happens again.
        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
        “not all there” - you know who you are

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        • #49
          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          It isnt funny when you support and encourage ignorance. You are supporting MM's and others on this website ignorant buy in to the idea the temperature data and the incontrovertible warming signal it contains is invalid. Is that your intent - to encourage people in their ignorance?

          Jim
          Yup. Checked your sense of humor at the door.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #50
            Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            I know that it’s complicated. Volcanoes, meteor impacts, plate tectonics, plant and animal life, and no doubt many other things, affect the climate. They do so because they change something. The present episode of rapid climate change is due to changes in the concentration of gases in the atmosphere. The change goes to where the new equilibrium is; a moving target to be sure.
            Define ‘rapid’ because we know the earth has had some pretty sudden and fast changes throughout its history. This isn’t even the biggest change the atmosphere had undergone. The biggest would likely fall under the oxygenation of atmosphere (which caused a mass extinction event). The problem with your claim of an ‘equilibrium’ is that earth’s climate isn’t static and has never been static. It’s always changing.

            Put aside for a moment that the details are hard to get at because the Earth is a complicated thing; the drive towards an equilibrium temperature is no different to putting a piece of iron on a hot fire. It will reach a temperature when it radiates as much heat as it absorbs.
            As I pointed out above, there’s no such thing because earths climate isn’t nor has ever been static. Earth’s climate has changed tons just in the past 1000 years and it will change again. It’s how it has always worked.

            Human beings were not around the last time that the Earth was as hot as it’s going to be. We might not cope when it happens again.
            That’s a pretty big assumption considering humans are among the most adaptable vertebra species currently living and the only known one that can alter their environment in a major way.
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Speaking of ignorance, you don't even know what my position is.

              There is evidence that climate change is happening, but then, climate change is always happening. However, there is no evidence of unusual or "catastrophic" warming, and certainly no evidence that man is having a significant impact on global temperatures. Finally, we know beyond any doubt that certain organizations have monkeyed up the temperature data to the point that it's more fiction than fact.

              ("Adjusting" current readings may be justified, to account for known factors, but "adjusting" readings from decades ago to bring them in line with biased predictions and sketchy computer models? I'd love to see the secular scientific community let creationists get away with that kind of nonsense!)
              I do in fact know what your 'position' is on this MM.


              Just like your attempt so 'splain it to me above, you have posted and weighed in positively on countless ill informed and simply wrong positions related to climate change. You have no idea what you are talking about - you never invoke the data or make arguments that involve the data or its interpretation. You simply quote pseudo-science or weigh in in favor of it, and you try to hide your ignorance in sarcasm in almost every post.

              And - the key element - you refuse to even try to learn what you would need to know to make an informed assessment of the difference between the pseudo-science you like to quote and that actual science you are unable to comprehend.



              Jim
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #52
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Yup. Checked your sense of humor at the door.
                Yep - when it comes to people quoting pseudo-science as fact, I don't have much of a sense of humor. I stand as accused.

                Jim
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  Yes, which tells you, coupled with its distance from the sun, that it has little to no atmosphere. And if that average were measured to change over time it woukd tell you that something is changing, given littke to no atmosphere, either total solar insolation, or its albedo.

                  Jim
                  Well I have seen various highs and lows as far as Maximum temperatures on the moon, so I could calculate the average temperature of the moon from anywhere of -30F to +40F, just by picking and choosing which max/min temperatures to use, but that really doesn't tell you anything, as you would be hard pressed to actually find 10F on the moon anywhere. And the surface temperature varies on the lit side depending on the latitude also. Averages don't really help when you can just play with the data and get a wide range of "averages" - and if you can do it so easily on the moon, imagine the margin of error on the Earth, a planet with actual weather?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    You have no idea what you are talking about...
                    I disagree.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      Yep - when it comes to people quoting pseudo-science as fact, I don't have much of a sense of humor. I stand as accused.

                      Jim
                      Except that wasn't 'pseudo-science', Jim. It was a JOKE.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        Well I have seen various highs and lows as far as Maximum temperatures on the moon, so I could calculate the average temperature of the moon from anywhere of -30F to +40F, just by picking and choosing which max/min temperatures to use, but that really doesn't tell you anything, as you would be hard pressed to actually find 10F on the moon anywhere. And the surface temperature varies on the lit side depending on the latitude also. Averages don't really help when you can just play with the data and get a wide range of "averages" - and if you can do it so easily on the moon, imagine the margin of error on the Earth, a planet with actual weather?
                        And things would get even more squirrely if your temperate average was based almost entirely on readings taken on the sunlight side!
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          Yep - when it comes to people quoting pseudo-science as fact, I don't have much of a sense of humor. I stand as accused.

                          Jim
                          What you're demonstrating, Jim, is your inability to discern the difference between a 'pseudo-science' and a joke.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #58
                            Not to mention the joke supported global warming. Just in a funny way.

                            I guess that means Jim thinks global warming is pseudo science. Who knew?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              And things would get even more squirrely if your temperate average was based almost entirely on readings taken on the sunlight side!
                              Watch it bub

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Not to mention the joke supported global warming. Just in a funny way.
                                I thought that much was patently obvious. But I guess when you've got less of a sense of humor than a militant third wave feminist...

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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