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Will The Global Warming Hysterics Never Tire Of Being Wrong?
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“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostWarnings about climate change go back to the 1960’s.
Good times.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThen the article is wrong.
However, the closer we get to the point of no return, the harder it is to make the needed corrections. And the precipice is not signposted. Altogether, it seems almost impossible to avoid the worst possible outcome.
Whether global warming is happening or not, it has become the religion of scientists and politicians and a pretty good sized cash cow for both groups.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo is the world ending in 18 months or 12 years? I need to make plans.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWarnings about climate change go back to the 1960’s. That’s how much time we’ve wasted. We’ll reap what we sow, and we deserve not an ounce of sympathy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostExcept that the supertanker has supposedly reached the point of no return <scrolls up to count> nine times. So, if we believe what we've been told, there's no longer a point to trying to avoid global climate whatsis - we're already doomed.
That's the problem - so much of this is based on modelling, which is very like survey research in how danged finicky it can be. Trying your best can still result in totally nonsensical results, even when you're good at it. My understanding is that the Russian modelling has been the closest thus far to actual events - and it's the one that doesn't think the world is ending.
A good model, in my methodological studies, is the one that is accurate (not precise, just accurate) but the predictions we're given are all over the place. Then someone tells me I'm stupid for questioning why the emperor's wearing his birthday suit - if the folks that believe this is real want policy change, they're gonna have to give us something better to work with.
The models show that if we don't do something to change the growth in CO2 in the atmosphere, the world will warm by more than 1.5 degrees by 2100. It takes time for CO2 levels to come down, so there is a point at which it is impossible to change the trend enough to reduce the growth trend enough not to exceed that temperature value. This business of saying the predictions have been 'wrong' boils down to dismissing the science because the actual value might be 1.6 or 1.4 degrees C. It's just asininely stupid. We have warmed .8 to .9 degrees C since 1970. Even if that trend is linear*, we will exceed 1.5 degrees (total) by 2100. Glacial melt in Greenland EXCEEDS even the worst predictions. The Polar Ice extent is less and more importantly, ice doesn't survive as long - so while we still see ice there, it's younger and thinner - less capable of surviving the summer:
https://fox2now.com/2018/02/26/nasa-...polar-ice-cap/
So - again - that article is nothing more than people like yourself wanting to paint AGW as silly and doing pretty much what the 14 year olds did in the back of the church whenever the preacher got serious about something. It's immature and ignorant. The world is warming, the glaciers are melting. But it is a long, slow process - even though the warming trend itself exceeds (the slope of the line representing the temperature rise) any known change in history that was not also devastating to life on the planet. So its impact will be gradual even though it ultimately is a serious problem. The stark reality is this - as the impacts become more and more obvious, as we begin losing coastline or coastal cities, as heat waves that can kill become more and more common in summer, it will be WAY past a time when we can do anything about it other than to try to build retaining walls or move inland or live more and more indoors in air conditioned rooms (assuming we can keep pace with the resulting power needs).
Ignorant people mocking what they don't understand or know is not normally anything to take seriously - except for the fact so many have been duped by it and the potential cost to us all of such immaturity is significant.
Jim
*CO2 etc levels continue to rise year over year, which means we have not reached any sort of equilibrium nor will we in the foreseeable future.
Methane is also on the rise, which is a far more powerful GHG than CO2. And while we don't fully understand that, methane can be released as a consequence of warming from permafrost. So warming begets more warming.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 07-30-2019, 10:01 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe models show that if we don't do something to change the growth in CO2 in the atmosphere, the world will warm by more than 1.5 degrees by 2100. It takes time for CO2 levels to come down, so there is a point at which it is impossible to change the trend enough to reduce the growth trend enough not to exceed that temperature value. This business of saying the predictions have been 'wrong' boils down to dismissing the science because the actual value might be 1.6 or 1.4 degrees C. It's just asininely stupid. We have warmed .8 to .9 degrees C since 1970. Even if that trend is linear*, we will exceed 1.5 degrees (total) by 2100. Glacial melt in Greenland EXCEEDS even the worst predictions. The Polar Ice extent is less and more importantly, ice doesn't survive as long - to while we still see ice there, it's younger and thinner - less capable of surviving the summer:
https://fox2now.com/2018/02/26/nasa-...polar-ice-cap/
A couple of points. First, where I live in southern New England used to be covered with 50-100 foot glaciers. Glacial melt has been happening for for 15,000 years ( and no one really knows why). Perhaps this preset warming is just a more rapid continuation of what caused warming since the ice age and as the heat increases so does the rate or feedback (as you said: warming begets more warming.). According to NOAA the earth has warmed about 1 degree Celsius since 1880. Which hasn't caused any unusual weather conditions, who know how bad a 1.5 degree rise will be - really. And remember the Arctic was once tropical, perhaps the earth is just returning to what it once was.Last edited by seer; 07-30-2019, 10:09 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYes, that's when they tried scaring us poor kids to death with "the coming ice age".“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOccupy til He returns.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostPlagues, droughts, fires, hunger, and pestilence are on their way to a neighborhood near you.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo business as usual...“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Does a Christian think?; God wouldn’t do this to us, so it cannot be happening.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostDoes a Christian think?; God wouldn’t do this to us, so it cannot be happening."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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