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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, what we know is that Buttigieg is a practicing homosexual. He's quite proud of that.
What we do NOT know is that Buttigieg is a practicing Christian. There's not much proof of that.
In fact, Buttigieg speaks proudly, relentlessly and profusely of his homosexuality, and abortion on demand for virtually any stage of pregnancy.
He does NOT speak of Christ, Salvation, sin, confession, repentance.
Still searching for any hint that Buttigieg is actually a "practicing Christian", I find nothing.
However, according to Tassman's favorite authority on the faith, Albert Mohler....
Yet, Buttigieg demands that evangelical Christians ‘evolve’ their understanding of holy Scripture. The biblically orthodox interpretation of sexuality represents an antiquated morality from a culturally dated book. In Buttigieg’s view, we ought to keep the universal principles but jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages that do not square with our modern, moral ideology. Christians must, in short, redefine biblical sexuality in unbiblical terms.
"Jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages"? As I have been stating, and Tassman has been incapable of countering, Buttigieg makes no attempt whatsoever to "interpret" the Bible - he simply ignores the scripture that deals with his choice to live in sin - in effect, giving the Bible the middle finger.
And this, from the same source...
Try as he may, Buttigieg and progressive, liberal Protestantism cannot contort the Scriptures and make Jesus an advocate for abortion and gay marriage. To do so means that entire passages of the Bible must be ripped out of their context or denied completely.
What kind of "practicing Christian" does that?
In “practice” nothing is fixed. Christians throughout history have understood certain scripture passages in such a way as to conform to the social values of the day. The “practice” of many Southern Baptist slave-owners being a case in point as was the emancipation of whole categories of people from blacks, to women and now homosexuals.
You are on the wrong side of history. But you can die happy in the knowledge that God's on your side and that you were right and everyone else was wrong.Last edited by Tassman; 05-20-2019, 12:03 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostChristians throughout history have understood certain scripture passages in such a way as to conform to the social values of the day.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThis began with you claiming that Mayor Pete and others just ignore those parts of the bible they don't agree with. I simply showed how you do the same. God commanded that human beings stone and burn to death other human beings. That is inhumane in the first place, never mind the actions of a loving god. You remained silent, or in other words ignored that part of the bible you didn't agree with. Others admitted to it but made excuses for it such as it was a different time and culture as if that would have anything at all to do with a Gods moral nature. Perhaps you think it a moral good and that we should still stone people to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath!
So while homosexuality is still morally wrong, we don't stone them. We also don't keep the ceremonial laws like wearing mixed materials or eating certain foods. If you want to actually score points against us, it would help if you did a bit of studying instead of burning straw men.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPaster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant. They are the same god, CP. Stoning human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath is either immoral or it is not, yet the biblical god contradicts himself. Or perhaps you think that as long as god does it, nothing is immoral.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo while homosexuality is still morally wrong, we don't stone them. We also don't keep the ceremonial laws like wearing mixed materials or eating certain foods. If you want to actually score points against us, it would help if you did a bit of studying instead of burning straw men.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOh really? Are you “proud” of being a “practicing” heterosexual...why would anyone be "proud" of their sexual orientation?
This is your view. He would disagree.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy is it immoral to stone someone for sinning?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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And, more importantly, where he, as a "practicing Christian" interprets, rather than outright ignores, the relevant scriptures concerning homosexuality?
ThanksThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThose laws were just for the Hebrews, Jimmy. We have told you that many times. The old covenant law was for their justice system. Not for all mankind. The moral code remains but the sacrifices for sin, the punishments for sin, were just for the Hebrews. Jesus gave us a new covenant.
So while homosexuality is still morally wrong, we don't stone them.
We also don't keep the ceremonial laws like wearing mixed materials or eating certain foods. If you want to actually score points against us, it would help if you did a bit of studying instead of burning straw men.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOh really? Are you “proud” of being a “practicing” heterosexual...
why would anyone be "proud" of their sexual orientation?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's called "argument by weblink" which is a no-no. Can you please cite the part where Buttigieg himself claims to be a practicing Christian.
And, more importantly, where he, as a "practicing Christian" interprets, rather than outright ignores, the relevant scriptures concerning homosexuality?
Thanks
But following one of the links in it I see:
Now, he said, he understands why people believe the Christian faith leads them to oppose same-sex marriage, but hopes they encounter scripture interpreted a different way.
“I hope that teachings about inclusion and love win out over what I personally consider to be a handful of scriptures that reflect the moral expectations of the era in which they were recorded,” he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...=.2141dc11248e
Which shows he isn't interpreting scripture at all, he is ignoring it as some sort of "cultural thing" that men made up, not God.
So basically he has a Smorgasbord style Christianity. He just picks the parts of the buffet he likes and ignores the rest.
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