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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    Same god, CP. Moses didn't make the laws, remember, he simply enforced them, right? (Yuk yuk yuk.)
    I always figured you for a yukker.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Nope....



      I had to correct the little Reverend and point out that he had no evidence whatsoever that Buttigieg interpreted the scriptures in any manner whatsoever, and pointed out that he simply ignored them to justify his life of sin. He's been trying to do a kabuki dance away from that ever since.



      A) You're wrong, and
      2) you're about to double down on your profound ignorance of theology.



      You seem incapable of understanding that God had a Covenant for the Jews (the OLD TESTAMENT) and Jesus instituted the New Covenant - NEW TESTAMENT - with his blood -

      Scripture Verse: Mark14

      22 "And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” 23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

      © Copyright Original Source



      Jimmy, when it comes to the Bible, you're even dumber than you are about the legal system. It's astonishing!
      Paster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant. They are the same god, CP. Stoning human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath is either immoral or it is not, yet the biblical god contradicts himself. Or perhaps you think that as long as god does it, nothing is immoral.

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        Wrong. With me it began with you saying Butigieg ignored those parts of the bible he didn't agree with. My reply was that, so do you. Or do you believe it moral to stone human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Jesus apparently disagreed with it, and his reasoning had nothing to do with the times, the place, or the culture. Problem is that Jesus and YHWH are said to be one and the same god.
        This "one and the same God" rang in changes that accord with his declarations that he "is not WILLING that any should die" and "desires mercy and not sacrifice." Coupled with his Old Testament complaints that rules had been added to the ten commandments of the Old Testament, that should tell you something.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Paster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant.
          You'd have to be an idiot to assume that. Oh, wait!!!

          And it's PASTOR!!!!! Can't you speel ANYTHUNG WRIGHT!?!?!?! (Though I have been called Pester! )
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            (Though I have been called Pester! )
            And with good cause, no doubt.


            Originally posted by JimL
            stoning and burning human beings to death is immoral and abhorRent at any time and in any culture. That should inform you that the immoral, abhorrent* laws, didn't come from who you believe to be a loving god.
            Missed that nonsense on the first pass ...
            There have been very few cultures that didn't consider such things to be moral in certain circumstances. Particularly when it came to religious circumstances. The chief* interacting god of Ur was named "Sin" (nothing to do with the English word having the same sound.) Child sacrifice, passing babies and children through fire (burning them to death) etc and so forth were very much practices of the religion of the time. The whole idea that such things as burning or stoning people to death is immoral arises (in European cultures) from Christian teachings. You wouldn't have your current concepts of the immorality of such actions were it not for the culture of your upbringing that (sort of) upheld those teachings.

            *there was a god (just one god) higher than Sin, but it was believed that he had no interaction with the physical world. His name was El.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

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            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
              And with good cause, no doubt.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                Paster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant. They are the same god, CP. Stoning human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath is either immoral or it is not, yet the biblical god contradicts himself. Or perhaps you think that as long as god does it, nothing is immoral.
                Yeah. But he changed his mind.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  So, now you're a mind reader, too? You can't seem to keep your arguments straight --- YOU claimed the had a different interpretation of the scriptures, yet you keep failing to prove that, Rev Tassman.
                  You are the “mind reader” by insisting that Buttigieg ignores scripture he doesn't like. You don’t know that. He is an intelligent, well-educated, practicing Christian. It is far more likely that he has come to his conclusions regarding homosexuality via his understanding of scripture than otherwise.

                  Have you no shame or decency?
                  Priceless. Don’t ever change, CP.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Yeah, he clearly has decided to do "what was right in his own eyes."
                    He has clearly has decided to do "what was right” as he understands “right” to be. This has been true of Christians throughout the Ages. The scriptures have always been made to conform to the social values of the day.

                    And guess what. Regardless of what he sees the adulterer, fornicator or homosexual who is not fighting temptation is indeed sinning.
                    “And guess what”, homophobes will always be judgmental bigots hiding behind their scriptures, just as slave owners were in an earlier era.
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • @ Tassman

                      Do we take it that you are on board with all those other things in that same list (including gossip) being moral wrongs? The only one you complain about is homosexuality ... some sort of fixation maybe?

                      Is it OK for gossips to have no access to heaven, but not homosexuals?
                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                      Scripture before Tradition:
                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                        @ Tassman

                        Do we take it that you are on board with all those other things in that same list (including gossip) being moral wrongs? The only one you complain about is homosexuality ... some sort of fixation maybe?

                        Is it OK for gossips to have no access to heaven, but not homosexuals?
                        The topic is Buttigieg’s homosexuality, is it not?
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          The topic is Buttigieg’s homosexuality, is it not?
                          Your point is valid.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

                          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            You are the “mind reader” by insisting that Buttigieg ignores scripture he doesn't like.
                            You're the Bozo who claims he "interprets them differently", yet you can't point to a single quote where he considers scripture at all!

                            You don’t know that.
                            I know you haven't produced a single example of Buttigieg giving his own interpretation. That's been your claim, though you seem to wish you hand't made that claim.

                            He is an intelligent, well-educated, practicing Christian.
                            If Christianity were illegal, there wouldn't even be enough evidence to arrest Buttigieg, let alone indict or prosecute.

                            It is far more likely that he has come to his conclusions regarding homosexuality via his understanding of scripture than otherwise.
                            And there you are - attempting to read his mind. That's not at all what you claimed.

                            Fact: Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament
                            Fact: "Practicing Christians" honor the New Testament
                            Fact: Buttigieg is a practicing homosexual
                            Fact: You can't produce a single example of Buttigieg referencing the scriptures condemning homosexuality

                            Logical conclusion: Buttigieg simply ignores those scriptures that condemn his lifestyle.

                            But, please, continue your kabuki dance!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • So, what we know is that Buttigieg is a practicing homosexual. He's quite proud of that.
                              What we do NOT know is that Buttigieg is a practicing Christian. There's not much proof of that.

                              In fact, Buttigieg speaks proudly, relentlessly and profusely of his homosexuality, and abortion on demand for virtually any stage of pregnancy.
                              He does NOT speak of Christ, Salvation, sin, confession, repentance --- in that way, he's almost exactly like Trump.

                              Still searching for any hint that Buttigieg is actually a "practicing Christian", I find nothing.

                              However, according to Tassman's favorite authority on the faith, Albert Mohler....

                              Yet, Buttigieg demands that evangelical Christians ‘evolve’ their understanding of holy Scripture. The biblically orthodox interpretation of sexuality represents an antiquated morality from a culturally dated book. In Buttigieg’s view, we ought to keep the universal principles but jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages that do not square with our modern, moral ideology. Christians must, in short, redefine biblical sexuality in unbiblical terms.


                              "Jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages"? As I have been stating, and Tassman has been incapable of countering, Buttigieg makes no attempt whatsoever to "interpret" the Bible - he simply ignores the scripture that deals with his choice to live in sin - in effect, giving the Bible the middle finger.

                              And this, from the same source...

                              Try as he may, Buttigieg and progressive, liberal Protestantism cannot contort the Scriptures and make Jesus an advocate for abortion and gay marriage. To do so means that entire passages of the Bible must be ripped out of their context or denied completely.


                              What kind of "practicing Christian" does that?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Try as he may, Buttigieg and progressive, liberal Protestantism cannot contort the Scriptures and make Jesus an advocate for abortion and gay marriage. To do so means that entire passages of the Bible must be ripped out of their context or denied completely.


                                What kind of "practicing Christian" does that?
                                The kind Tassman likes?

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