Mayor Pete Attacks Trump's Faith...

[Tassman]

The calls for his resignation are from his constituents who likely know him the best

The calls for his resignation are from some of his constituents over a specific controversial incident. He has been a successful mayor since January 1, 2012 and “responsible for the city workforce of over 1,000 employees and an annual budget over $380 million”.

https://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

whereas the big bucks comes from those who know little about him but they are enamoured by the fact that he's openly gay.

And you know that the big bucks only come from those “enamoured by the fact that he's openly gay” rather than for his impressive credentials, his record as mayor and his potential as president, how exactly?

[rogue06]

The calls for his resignation are from some of his constituents over a specific controversial incident. He has been a successful mayor since January 1, 2012 and “responsible for the city workforce of over 1,000 employees and an annual budget over $380 million”.

https://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

Still, his constituents are bound to know him better than a bunch of rich donors from Hollyweird, San Francisco, NYC and the like. And the most recent poll in Indiana gives Buttigeg a 35% favorable rating (which is about 10 points or more below Trump's favorability rating^[1]. So if you want to call that successful...

And you know that the big bucks only come from those “enamoured by the fact that he's openly gay” rather than for his impressive credentials, his record as mayor and his potential as president, how exactly?

Oh please do tell. Why don't you list "his impressive credentials" for us? smiley waiting2.gif








1, To be fair, while his favorable rating is well below that of Trump's his unfavorability a great deal below Trump's as well being at 25%.

[oxmixmudd]

That's nonsense. Perhaps they had not formally renounced it until then, but that doesn't mean it was "officially" in favor of segregation up until that point. Or can you point to any official statements of the church in the 1990-1994 range (when you claim they had the official position of being in favor of segregation) that state a preference for segregation?

That would depend pn the church, snd what part of the country you were in at the time.

What Tassman may not know is that the SBC is not the sort of homogenious denomination that say the episcopalians or methodists are. Each congregation is very much independent of the next and self governing, and they are proud of that fact. They collectively have seminaries and a missions program, but there is no extensive universal theological statement all SBC churches abide by.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

The "big bucks" do not suggest that “Calls for Mayor Pete’s Resignation” are as commonplace or as warranted as you implied.

I never implied any such thing, ya Goofus! How does your brain manage to twist things up so badly so frequently?

[Cow Poke]

If not then the SBC would have done well to alter its official position long before 1995....

It did, goofus - 1995 was the official resolution.

[Terraceth]

If not then the SBC would have done well to alter its official position long before 1995, given that Martin Luther King Jr. was leading the civil rights movement in the US from the mid-1950s.

I'm not saying the SBC was never in favor of segregation. I am objecting to your odd idea that just because they didn't formally denounce it until 1995 that, up until that point, their "official position" was in favor of it (including even in 1994). Can you point to any official statements or positions in 1994? If not, what is the latest statement or document you can find that stated being pro-segregation was their official position?

[Cow Poke]

The calls for his resignation are from some of his constituents over a specific controversial incident. ....

This is so precious! Did ANYBODY suggest that calls for his resignation were from ALL of his constituents over EVERY incident? The calls for his resignation include blacks, police, religious....

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South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg (D.) faces growing calls for his resignation in the wake of a white police officer shooting and killing a black man.

The incident occurred in the early morning of June 14 and snapped racial tensions that have been tightening since Buttigieg demoted Darryl Boykins, the city's first black police chief, in 2012. Buttigieg held a town hall on June 23, but South Bend's black community reacted with fury. They pointed to racial conflicts within the SBPD as well as the department's fraught relationship with the black community, demanding swift change.

Six shootings occurred the weekend of his town hall. In one instance, a witness reported that the shooter was aiming specifically at police. A number of South Bend officials who served under Buttigieg as well as local civil rights activists are now calling for the mayor’s resignation.

"To start with trying to heal, the mayor just needs to resign," activist and pastor Mario Sims told the Washington Free Beacon, adding that Buttigieg should demote Police Chief Scott Ruszkowski to cleanse the department of bad blood.

Sims also added that he believes Buttigieg is racially "tone-deaf" and should consider retiring from politics until he has "spent some time evaluating this."

"I understand political ambition, I understand that," Sims said. "But you're playing games with the lives of the people here, and innocent police officers."

Sims has clashed with Buttigieg in the past, speaking out against the mayor's decision to demote Boykins. That decision, coupled with Buttigieg's lack of transparency following it, Sims said, has opened a rift between South Bend's police and its black communities that disqualifies Buttigieg from political legitimacy.

"Right now there's no way he can stand on the stage and honestly talk about the issues pressing this country when he can't even successfully address the dire issues of race, lack of diversity, and poverty, not to mention the homeless issue in this city," Sims said. "If you can't even address those issues in a city of 100,000, my God, how can you address those issues in 50 states?"

Former president of South Bend's Board of Public Safety Pat Cottrell also told the Free Beacon that Buttigieg should resign and that the mayor should "definitely not" be running for president after this latest incident.

Cottrell said that in addition to Buttigieg’s checkered record on racial issues, the mayor has been a poor administrator when faced with internal disagreements in city government.

"Pete is a fraud," he said........

But, hey, he's homosexual, so all is well!

[Cow Poke]

That would depend pn the church, snd what part of the country you were in at the time.

What Tassman may not know is that the SBC is not the sort of homogenious denomination that say the episcopalians or methodists are. Each congregation is very much independent of the next and self governing, and they are proud of that fact. They collectively have seminaries and a missions program, but there is no extensive universal theological statement all SBC churches abide by.

Jim

Excellent point, sir, but he HAS been 'educated' to that fact -- he just failed that class.

The closest that Southern Baptist Churches come to a "creed" is the "Baptist Faith & Message", and many of our churches don't even subscribe to the latest version (2000) because of the statements on family, and the fact that we didn't water down the notion of biblical inerrancy. And the SBC Churches are not bound by, nor obligated to adhere to, the BF&M.

We are an "upside down pyramid", so to speak, as we send "messengers" (not delegates) to the annual meeting to tell our "leadership" how we want them to lead. But, as autonomous churches, we have no obligation whatsoever to "follow".

Tassman knows this - he is just purposely and dishonestly dismissive of it. It doesn't fit his narrative "I hate Southern Baptists".

[Cow Poke]

I'm not saying the SBC was never in favor of segregation. I am objecting to your odd idea that just because they didn't formally denounce it until 1995 that, up until that point, their "official position" was in favor of it (including even in 1994). Can you point to any official statements or positions in 1994? If not, what is the latest statement or document you can find that stated being pro-segregation was their official position?

Tass has flubbed this over and over ---- he has never been able to produce a shard of evidence indicating that the SBC - as an entity - had any official policy that would be pro-segregation, or alleged any biblical support for slavery. The main trigger for the foundation of the SBC was the fact that the Northern churches refused to appoint a couple of southern missionaries because they, at least at one time, owned slaves.

[Cow Poke]

I forgot to include the attribution to my article several posts ago, so here it is - this just from a few days ago...

More Calls for Mayor Pete’s Resignation

[Raphael]

I'm not saying the SBC was never in favor of segregation. I am objecting to your odd idea that just because they didn't formally denounce it until 1995 that, up until that point, their "official position" was in favor of it (including even in 1994). Can you point to any official statements or positions in 1994? If not, what is the latest statement or document you can find that stated being pro-segregation was their official position?

Japan and Russia still haven't signed a peace treaty since WW2 (come close several times). Using the logic displayed by a certain person that must mean WW2 isn't over yet.

[Tassman]

Still, his constituents are bound to know him better than a bunch of rich donors from Hollyweird, San Francisco, NYC and the like. And the most recent poll in Indiana gives Buttigeg a 35% favorable rating (which is about 10 points or more below Trump's favorability rating^[1]. So if you want to call that successful...

Trump’s favorably rating is only relatively high among his own support base. “his median approval rating is low — only President Harry Truman had a lower median rating”.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...he-new-normal/

Whereas with Buttigieg: “Democrats in the poll: 60% found him favorable, and 9% found him unfavorable”.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ls/1154495001/

This as opposed to Trump’s overall 53.4% unfavorable rating.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...able-5493.html

Oh please do tell. Why don't you list "his impressive credentials" for us?

Already linked:

“A Rhodes Scholar, Buttigieg studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Oxford and holds a bachelor’s degree in History and Literature from Harvard…”

He is “past President of the Indiana Urban Mayors Caucus and the Northern Indiana Mayors Roundtable, and serves on the boards of the Truman National Security Project and the United States Conference of Mayors. In 2015 he received the New Frontier Award from the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation and the Harvard University Institute of Politics, and in 2016 he won the U.S. Department of Transportation Mayors’ Challenge Pedestrian and Bicycle Awards for the City’s work on Smart Streets….”

“An officer in U.S. Navy Reserve from 2009-17, Buttigieg took a leave of absence to serve in Afghanistan during a seven-month deployment in 2014, earning the Joint Service Commendation Medal for his counterterrorism work.”

"An active musician, Buttigieg plays piano and guitar, and has performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra".

https://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

And Trump’s impressive credentials……?

[Tassman]

Tass has flubbed this over and over ---- he has never been able to produce a shard of evidence indicating that the SBC - as an entity - had any official policy that would be pro-segregation, or alleged any biblical support for slavery. The main trigger for the foundation of the SBC was the fact that the Northern churches refused to appoint a couple of southern missionaries because they, at least at one time, owned slaves.

And yet the “The Southern Baptist Convention issued an apology for its earlier stance on slavery. The issue had split the Baptist church between north and south in 1845. But a century and a half later, in 1995, Southern Baptist officials formally renounced the church's support of slavery and segregation”.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=112329862

A bit strange for the Southern Baptist Convention, “as an entity” to acknowledge a “stance” that you claim didn’t exist except as an issue involving a couple of slave-owning missionaries.

[NorrinRadd]

And yet the “The Southern Baptist Convention issued an apology for its earlier stance on slavery. The issue had split the Baptist church between north and south in 1845. But a century and a half later, in 1995, Southern Baptist officials formally renounced the church's support of slavery and segregation”.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=112329862

A bit strange for the Southern Baptist Convention, “as an entity” to acknowledge a “stance” that you claim didn’t exist except as an issue involving a couple of slave-owning missionaries.

Nothing in that article refuted CP's repeated assertion "that the SBC - as an entity - had any official policy that would be pro-segregation, or alleged any biblical support for slavery."

Further, it does not refute his repeated assertion that the "main" impetus for the birth of the SBC was the issue of a few slave-owning missionaries; the NPR *hostess* -- as opposed to any quoted SBC representative -- made the insufficiently specific claim that "slavery" had split the Baptist church.

In summary: Fake News, as usual.

[rogue06]

Trump’s favorably rating is only relatively high among his own support base. “his median approval rating is low — only President Harry Truman had a lower median rating”.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...he-new-normal/

Whereas with Buttigieg: “Democrats in the poll: 60% found him favorable, and 9% found him unfavorable”.

You are still ignoring the fact that among those who actually know and deal with Buttigeg his favorability rating is only 35% which is like 10 points below Trump's. The fact that those who know little or nothing about him except that he is openly gay give him a 60% favorability rating does not detract from that simple fact.

“A Rhodes Scholar, Buttigieg studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Oxford and holds a bachelor’s degree in History and Literature from Harvard…”

He is “past President of the Indiana Urban Mayors Caucus and the Northern Indiana Mayors Roundtable, and serves on the boards of the Truman National Security Project and the United States Conference of Mayors. In 2015 he received the New Frontier Award from the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation and the Harvard University Institute of Politics, and in 2016 he won the U.S. Department of Transportation Mayors’ Challenge Pedestrian and Bicycle Awards for the City’s work on Smart Streets….”

“An officer in U.S. Navy Reserve from 2009-17, Buttigieg took a leave of absence to serve in Afghanistan during a seven-month deployment in 2014, earning the Joint Service Commendation Medal for his counterterrorism work.”

"An active musician, Buttigieg plays piano and guitar, and has performed with the South Bend Symphony Orchestra".

https://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

He did well in school, ran a committee of mayors winning an award for pedestrian and bikes, and of course, plays a musical instrument.

This reminds me of an application from someone fresh out of school looking for their first real job.