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  • EvoUK
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    No 10 to push again for vote on Boris Johnson's deal

    So, the UK Government convened a rare Saturday sitting in Parliament to try to push through Johnson's withdrawal agreement with the threat of 'no deal' hanging over Parliaments head. They allowed very little time for Parliamentarians to look through the detail of the new withdrawal agreement, and refused to look into/publish any potential impact assessments of this deal coming into force.

    Parliament then voted 306 to 322 in favour of an amendment to postpone the vote on the new withdrawal agreement until parliament had an opportunity to look at the details and scrutinise it properly, something the Government wished to avoid.

    As the deadline to request an extension from the EU was 11pm on Saturday night due to the Benn Act, Johnson was forced by law to send a letter to the EU requesting an extension. This he did, sending an unsigned photocopy requesting an extension, along with a separate signed letter explaining that he does not think the EU should grant it. They are now also looking into whether or not this in fact goes against the wording or spirit of the Benn act, though it is highly unlikely he'll be held to legal account for it.


    Along with creating a border in the Irish Sea, this new withdrawal agreement takes protections of workers rights etc. out of the legally binding text, and instead into the non-legally binding 'political declaration', which is essentially a 'wish list' at best. This fact alone means that most Labour MPs would not be able to vote in favour of it, even if it didn't also go against previous promises by this and previous UK Governments not to have a border in Ireland or the Irish Sea.

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  • EvoUK
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    He's currently arguing for a withdrawal agreement he criticised in November last year, which is worse than the one May negotiated due to border in Irish sea.

    It was essentially the EUs opening proposal which the UK government managed to amend to a full UK backstop, which the EU reluctantly granted.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Thanks, ff

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  • firstfloor
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    The sticking point is explained here, BBC news website:

    And with a fateful sense of deja vu, there is a big problem in the form of the DUP, who - as things stand - are not yet on board.
    They might face criticism for being stubborn, for holding things up in the face of huge political pressure when a whole continent appears on the verge of signing a deal.
    But what they see as a legitimate concern is the proposed way of getting out of Northern Ireland's proposed relationship with the EU - those votes in Stormont - would give too much power to Sinn Fein, the nationalist party who are much more pro EU.
    They fear being outvoted by the other parties, who might well want to linger in the closer relationship with the bloc, will change the political gravity there.
    Over time, the fear is it would anchor Northern Ireland closer to Dublin than London, which for a unionist party is a grave risk.
    Put simply by a DUP insider this morning, "we can't sell this at home".
    Still to get past EU and UK Parliaments.

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  • seer
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    GO BORRIS!!!

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  • Bill the Cat
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    GO BORRIS!!!

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  • firstfloor
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    What do you think will happen? What's the word on the street, as it were?
    Itís not clear yet. Too many factions, Corbyn sitting on the fence being inscrutable, Boris hinting at lawlessness. The EU summit this week may force matters. Another referendum seems to be an outside possibility.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    Queens speech today, Brexit talks ongoing, deadline approaching, Sturgeon talking Scottish independence again.
    What do you think will happen? What's the word on the street, as it were?

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  • firstfloor
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    Queens speech today, Brexit talks ongoing, deadline approaching, Sturgeon talking Scottish independence again.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    Pilgrim Fathers

    - BBC News
    Thanks, ff. None of my ancestors were on the Mayflower (John Cotton was the first, in 1633).

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  • firstfloor
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    Pilgrim Fathers
    Newly discovered documents have revealed the Pilgrim Fathers settled in Boston in Lincolnshire for several months before they escaped England.

    It was previously thought the group only assembled in the town shortly before attempting to leave for the Netherlands in 1907.

    But Boston Council found they worshipped in the town three months prior to their unsuccessful escape.
    Its heritage manager Luke Skerritt said the discovery was "totally unexpected".

    The documents, found in the county's archive, have now gone on display in the town's Guildhall Museum, where some members were jailed after trying to leave the country.

    As Puritans, they had been persecuted for failing to attend Church of England services, leading them to try and flee via the Lincolnshire port.

    "They didn't just come down to meet a ship," said Mr Skerritt, who discovered the documents.
    "This group of people - which includes really important members of the pilgrims like William Brewster, Richard Clifton and Thomas Helwys - they were worshiping here for up to three months.
    "This is totally unexpected."

    The group eventually left Boston for the Netherlands. Many later crossed the Atlantic on the Mayflower, landing at Plymouth Rock in the United States in 1620.
    - BBC News
    Last edited by firstfloor; 09-28-2019, 12:22 PM.

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  • firstfloor
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    Like all good tyrants, Boris thinks he knows better than 11 Supreme Court judges. His days are numbered.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    The Supreme Court rules that Parliament was suspended illegally. Boris will now be carried off to The Tower where his head will be struck off (or whatever the modern equivalent is). Bercow (the Speaker) said that Parliament must convene without delay.
    But did he say it in a British accent?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    The Supreme Court rules that Parliament was suspended illegally. Boris will now be carried off to The Tower where his head will be struck off (or whatever the modern equivalent is). Bercow (the Speaker) said that Parliament must convene without delay.
    We can all start breathing again.

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  • firstfloor
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    The Supreme Court rules that Parliament was suspended illegally. Boris will now be carried off to The Tower where his head will be struck off (or whatever the modern equivalent is). Bercow (the Speaker) said that Parliament must convene without delay.

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