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  • GO BORRIS!!!
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    • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      GO BORRIS!!!
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      • The sticking point is explained here, BBC news website:

        And with a fateful sense of deja vu, there is a big problem in the form of the DUP, who - as things stand - are not yet on board.
        They might face criticism for being stubborn, for holding things up in the face of huge political pressure when a whole continent appears on the verge of signing a deal.
        But what they see as a legitimate concern is the proposed way of getting out of Northern Ireland's proposed relationship with the EU - those votes in Stormont - would give too much power to Sinn Fein, the nationalist party who are much more pro EU.
        They fear being outvoted by the other parties, who might well want to linger in the closer relationship with the bloc, will change the political gravity there.
        Over time, the fear is it would anchor Northern Ireland closer to Dublin than London, which for a unionist party is a grave risk.
        Put simply by a DUP insider this morning, "we can't sell this at home".
        Still to get past EU and UK Parliaments.
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        • Thanks, ff
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          • He's currently arguing for a withdrawal agreement he criticised in November last year, which is worse than the one May negotiated due to border in Irish sea.

            It was essentially the EUs opening proposal which the UK government managed to amend to a full UK backstop, which the EU reluctantly granted.

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            • No 10 to push again for vote on Boris Johnson's deal

              So, the UK Government convened a rare Saturday sitting in Parliament to try to push through Johnson's withdrawal agreement with the threat of 'no deal' hanging over Parliaments head. They allowed very little time for Parliamentarians to look through the detail of the new withdrawal agreement, and refused to look into/publish any potential impact assessments of this deal coming into force.

              Parliament then voted 306 to 322 in favour of an amendment to postpone the vote on the new withdrawal agreement until parliament had an opportunity to look at the details and scrutinise it properly, something the Government wished to avoid.

              As the deadline to request an extension from the EU was 11pm on Saturday night due to the Benn Act, Johnson was forced by law to send a letter to the EU requesting an extension. This he did, sending an unsigned photocopy requesting an extension, along with a separate signed letter explaining that he does not think the EU should grant it. They are now also looking into whether or not this in fact goes against the wording or spirit of the Benn act, though it is highly unlikely he'll be held to legal account for it.


              Along with creating a border in the Irish Sea, this new withdrawal agreement takes protections of workers rights etc. out of the legally binding text, and instead into the non-legally binding 'political declaration', which is essentially a 'wish list' at best. This fact alone means that most Labour MPs would not be able to vote in favour of it, even if it didn't also go against previous promises by this and previous UK Governments not to have a border in Ireland or the Irish Sea.

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              • Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                He's currently arguing for a withdrawal agreement he criticised in November last year, which is worse than the one May negotiated due to border in Irish sea.

                It was essentially the EUs opening proposal which the UK government managed to amend to a full UK backstop, which the EU reluctantly granted.
                So what are you hearing? Is there a general consensus that the UK needs to be out of the EU?
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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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                    Ha - that's actually quite funny

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      So what are you hearing? Is there a general consensus that the UK needs to be out of the EU?
                      It's... complicated.

                      The main issue at the moment is 'Brexit Fatigue', as after years of this mess people are sick of hearing about it. Hence the conceit of the Government regarding 'get It done' - which would be fine, except that the withdrawal agreement is only the beginning - after that there'll be the actual trade talks, which is the hard bit. So it's likely to go on for many years yet!

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                      • Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                        It's... complicated.

                        The main issue at the moment is 'Brexit Fatigue', as after years of this mess people are sick of hearing about it. Hence the conceit of the Government regarding 'get It done' - which would be fine, except that the withdrawal agreement is only the beginning - after that there'll be the actual trade talks, which is the hard bit. So it's likely to go on for many years yet!
                        Totally understandable - thanks.
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                        • This could have been said about you-know-who:

                          Mr Maugham said he was "delighted" with the court's decision.
                          "It is a pity to have to say it, but this is not a prime minister who can be trusted to comply with the law. And because he cannot be trusted he must be supervised,"
                          Another extension granted, conditioned on deal not passing Parliament.
                          Last edited by firstfloor; 10-21-2019, 08:47 AM.
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                          • Speaker stops Boris having another go.
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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                            • Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                              No 10 to push again for vote on Boris Johnson's deal

                              So, the UK Government convened a rare Saturday sitting in Parliament to try to push through Johnson's withdrawal agreement with the threat of 'no deal' hanging over Parliaments head. They allowed very little time for Parliamentarians to look through the detail of the new withdrawal agreement, and refused to look into/publish any potential impact assessments of this deal coming into force.

                              Parliament then voted 306 to 322 in favour of an amendment to postpone the vote on the new withdrawal agreement until parliament had an opportunity to look at the details and scrutinise it properly, something the Government wished to avoid.

                              As the deadline to request an extension from the EU was 11pm on Saturday night due to the Benn Act, Johnson was forced by law to send a letter to the EU requesting an extension. This he did, sending an unsigned photocopy requesting an extension, along with a separate signed letter explaining that he does not think the EU should grant it. They are now also looking into whether or not this in fact goes against the wording or spirit of the Benn act, though it is highly unlikely he'll be held to legal account for it.


                              Along with creating a border in the Irish Sea, this new withdrawal agreement takes protections of workers rights etc. out of the legally binding text, and instead into the non-legally binding 'political declaration', which is essentially a 'wish list' at best. This fact alone means that most Labour MPs would not be able to vote in favour of it, even if it didn't also go against previous promises by this and previous UK Governments not to have a border in Ireland or the Irish Sea.
                              Um, this would be the fourth extension, right? After 3 years, parliament still hasn't passed anything but roadblock legislation - what good does giving them even more time actually do?

                              Outside looking in, it looks like parliament is dragging its heels in hopes that if they delay long enough a miracle will occur and they can repeal Art. 50 without political consequence.


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                              • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                                Um, this would be the fourth extension, right? After 3 years, parliament still hasn't passed anything but roadblock legislation - what good does giving them even more time actually do?

                                Outside looking in, it looks like parliament is dragging its heels in hopes that if they delay long enough a miracle will occur and they can repeal Art. 50 without political consequence.

                                Given that none of the leave campaign promises were remotely true, logically parliament should be pushing for a second referendum with remain vs what leave actually looks like vs the fantasies pushed in 2016. Simply revoking article 50 at this point- even though it is the only sane option given the appalling deals they've managed to strike since given that reality doesn't necessarily adhere to fantasy in the real world- would probably do more harm than good.

                                Unfortunately parliament has shown itself to be better at saying what it doesn't want than what it does want, ironically actually reflecting the mood of the country quite aptly.

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