Time To Smear Kavanaugh's Good Name...

[rogue06]

Yep. And more problematic is the number of different perjury allegations against Kavanaugh, with numerous friends and acquaintances of his poking holes in his claims under oath.

You keep forgetting that the Washington Post, which in spite of your overworked imagination is anything but right-wing or pro-Trump, looked into those "number of different perjury allegations against Kavanaugh" and debunked them. Why is that?

[rogue06]

One thing often pointed to is her seeing a therapist about it, ironically by both sides. The side in her favor says it's evidence that even well before this she mentioned it, the side against her says that the written notes apparently make no mention of Kavanaugh by name--of course, it's possible she did and the therapist just didn't write it down. I think I have to call this one a draw.

It really is inconceivable that her therapist would somehow overlook writing down what would by any measure be the most important part of her claim since it would be the key element if Ford had contacted legal authorities. Moreover, the therapists notes also contain other things that directly contradict what she is now claiming and reveal how her story has changed and evolved over time.

[NorrinRadd]

I am truly impressed that you managed to come away from rogue's post with the idea that Dr. Ford's testimony was credible after everything he quoted poked holes in it. Never let the facts get in the way of your beliefs, eh?

Atheists have more faith than Christians. Or... maybe that's "credulity."

[rogue06]

Both Dr Ford AND Kavanaugh have holes in their testimony but the former's memory lapses are consistent with sexual abuse victims. Traumatic amnesia is a common phenomenon in such circumstances. OTOH Kavanaugh's testimony seems calculated to be deliberately misleading. The choirboy, moderate-drinking, virginal image he presented on Fox has been flatly contradicted by his Yale contemporaries plus his Yearbook entry and personal calendar.



Yes exactly.

People don't forget all of the most important details like when^[1] it took place, where it took place, how she got there, who she went with, how she got home after running down the stairs and through a small group in a small room (none of who remember such an occurrence), whether she was stalked or ambushed, and who was involved.

And btw, you can still be "moderate-drinking" and have gotten drunk a few times (and even being a heavy drinker hardly equates to being a black out drinker as you earlier implied^[2]) and his claim of being a virgin in High School has not been challenged so once again you're being duplicitously dishonest (you're establishing quite a track record for that lately).







1. Here her story has changed radically, originally taking place during her "late teens" and then sometime during the Summer when she was only 15. She cannot get any more precise like a month, whether it was a school night or a weekend or anything else.

2. I've know quite a few heavy drinkers -- real heavy drinkers -- in my time (I went through a period like that myself) but none of them were black out drinkers.

[Roy]

You once again live up to your nickname.

What you're not saying is that each item on the list is itself a summary argument.

Even if true, that wouldn't mean the list as a whole was a summary argument.

[Roy]

You mean Socrates? You guys treated him like you do Jorge when he was here and now you are quoting him as an expert?

Yes. You think some-one can't be an authority on one matter unless they are an authority on everything?

But hey, no problem. Since you are ignorant about, for example, 5th century Danish pig-farming techniques, perhaps we should assume you are ignorant about everything else too.

[Tassman]

People don't forget all of the most important details like when^[1] it took place, where it took place, how she got there, who she went with, how she got home after running down the stairs and through a small group in a small room (none of who remember such an occurrence), whether she was stalked or ambushed, and who was involved.

You are not in a position to pontificate; TRAUMATIC AMNESIA is a 'dissociative survival mechanism' and common among victims of sexual assault. Dr Ford is a classic example.

And btw, you can still be "moderate-drinking" and have gotten drunk a few times (and even being a heavy drinker hardly equates to being a black out drinker as you earlier implied

Kavanaugh was ‘heavy drinker,’ ‘often belligerent’ at Yale, NC State professor says.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...219294500.html

There are many such reports..

"Liz Swisher, a college friend of Kavanaugh’s, told the Washington Post. “There’s no medical way I can say that he was blacked out. . . . But it’s not credible for him to say that he has had no memory lapses in the nights that he drank to excess.”

The New York Times spoke to “nearly a dozen people who knew him well or socialized with him” and they all said Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker at Yale."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ppy-drunk.html

and his claim of being a virgin in High School has not been challenged so once again you're being duplicitously dishonest

Oh please! Kavanaugh’s references in his Yearbook and personal calendar make it clear what sort of drunken and sexual activities he got up to. This plus references from his contemporaries, many of whom have accused him of lying in the Fox i/v.

[Mountain Man]

Well well well...

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[In a sworn statement,] a man who dated Brett Kavanaugh’s primary accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, for six years claims she had no fear of flying, no fear of small spaces or rooms with single exits, and once used her psychology training to prepare a friend for a polygraph examination, according to a Tuesday Fox News report.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ear-of-flying/

[Mountain Man]

A couple of the terms were extremely well established nationwide at the time so it's not as if just one or two classmates were stepping forward to contradict him.

Is it possible that Kavanaugh and some of his friends had their own definitions? Or that's genuinely what he thinks they mean?

I've never heard any of those terms myself.

[Starlight]

Yet another lie by Kavanaugh I've just come across was that in his hearing he went out of his way to insist that he got into Yale purely on his own merits because he "had no connections". This was part of his narrative he kept repeating about how he was "busting his tail" during school as he worked so incredibly hard for good grades (and hence wasn't the sort to drink hugely, even though everyone who knows him says he drank hugely).

Well, it turns out his rather Trumpian story about being a self-made man and having got into Yale purely on his own merits and without connections... was Trumpian in its truth value. He was actually a legacy student because his grandfather had been to Yale. Kavanaugh's yearbook thus lists him as a legacy student. Oops. So he actually had connections and didn't get into Yale purely based on "busting his tail" after all... Lie number 17 or so from Kavanaugh under oath.


A few other lies that I'm not sure have been touched on in this thread include the fact that Kavanaugh claimed that he hadn't watched Dr Ford's testimony when in fact he'd been part of a group of Republican aides watching her testimony in a nearby room together on TV, and the letter Kavanaugh wrote to his friends about organizing Beach Week has been produced in which he emphasizes heavily how much the group drink and puke (contrary to his testimony that he wasn't an excessively heavy drinker) and he also writes "I think we [friends] are unanimous that any girls we can beg to stay there [with us] are welcomed with open . . ." ellipsis in his original letter at this point, implying sexual innuendo and that it's not just "open arms" they'll be welcoming the girls with but open other things too.

[NorrinRadd]

Is it possible that Kavanaugh and some of his friends had their own definitions? Or that's genuinely what he thinks they mean?

I've never heard any of those terms myself.

Nor have I.

Earlier in the thread, I noted that even though I have lived in western PA for all my 58+ years, I don't recall ever hearing the supposedly regional slang, "boofer."

When I was in high school and college, I had no idea that "Cornhole" was a game, sometimes a drinking game, a variant of horse shoes, even though it had been around since the 1800s. I only knew the vulgar meaning, which I assume is the one underlying the Beavis alter ego, "The Great Cornholio."

[Starlight]

Is it possible that Kavanaugh and some of his friends had their own definitions? Or that's genuinely what he thinks they mean?

His proposed definition of "boof" as "fart" is implausible, because he wrote in the yearbook asking one of his friends if he'd "boofed" yet. Nobody writes "have you farted yet?" in a yearbook. His yearbook usage of the term is compatible with the standard usage however.

Likewise him and his friends writing "Renate Alumnus" in their yearbooks was a clear claim to sexual conquest of Renate by them. (It need not have been true, if he'd said "well I felt I had to make this claim to fit in with my bros at the time, and looking back on it I feel terrible to have written this about Renate" that would have been fine) But instead, firstly he gave through his lawyer the dubiously-plausible response that it was because he kissed Renate goodbye after a party and referring to getting a (chaste) kiss with Renate. But then during senate testimony he changed this to the utterly implausible "it was to honor Renate as one of the crew". Renate, by her own public response to this 'honor' appears to interpret it as the obvious claim that they all slept with her and is horrified by it and denies it, and Kavanaugh apparently apologized to her for it... a strange response for being "honored" as one of the group. So he seems to have had zero qualms about telling outright lies such as this under oath about the terms in his yearbook.

[oxmixmudd]

Well well well...

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[In a sworn statement,] a man who dated Brett Kavanaugh’s primary accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, for six years claims she had no fear of flying, no fear of small spaces or rooms with single exits, and once used her psychology training to prepare a friend for a polygraph examination, according to a Tuesday Fox News report.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ear-of-flying/

People change. A large number of people developed fears of flying after 911. Trauma like that alleged can create additional fears over time if not dealt with.

None of this babble you guys keep dredging up has any real meaning. It's just speculation about what ought to be based on ignorance concerning what is typical in cases like this.

Jim

[Mountain Man]

The bottom line is that Dr Ford's testimony was credible, as is generally agreed. And Kavanaugh, despite his dishonest contrary story on Fox, was known to be a heavy drinker during his Yale days and would become belligerent and aggressive when drunk...plus very likely subject to blackouts as a consequence. This according to numerous of his Yale contemporaries.

Hence both stories could be true, i.e. Ford was sexually attacked by a highly drunken Kavanaugh, who has no memory of the occurrence and so denies it. But does one want such a man on the Supreme Court?

Textbook cognitive dissonance.

[Mountain Man]

People change. A large number of people developed fears of flying after 911. Trauma like that alleged can create additional fears over time if not dealt with.

None of this babble you guys keep dredging up has any real meaning. It's just speculation about what ought to be based on ignorance concerning what is typical in cases like this.

Jim

Textbook hand waving.