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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    When the conservatives were against the NFL players taking a knee, did they ever claim that they were against free speech?
    They were against it Sparko. Like it or not, they against that expression and wanted the players punished.

    But we have incident after incident of college students shutting down free speech over here.
    You have a small handful of isolated cases. They don't add up to much, and for everyone you cited, I cited other cases of alt-righters (who are right-wings unless you've forgotten it) attacking liberals. Getting them fired. Calling in bomb threats on speakers who talked about socialism or communism. All of this also takes place and is just as much against free speech, yet Fox News and Breitbart don't care about it.

    Because, Sparko, they don't care about free speech. They only care about free speech if the speech involves something they agree with, or, they can use it criticise liberals. Beyond that they just don't care.

    Like it or not the ACLU cares more about free speech than they do.

    Burning things. destroying things.
    Vandalism is also something right-wingers have fun doing. Again, they're not reported as much because 1) The leftist media isn't inventing a fake issue with this. b) Fox News and Breitbart don't care about it, so they don't report it.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...121-story.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/anti-semiti...a-study-699218
    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...r-cent-in-2017

    Demanding safe spaces
    A completely different issue, complex, and often misunderstood and misappropriated. Good and bad on that one I'd agree with. Though conservatives have their own safe spaces.

    There is no comparison Leonhard.
    If I can't convince you Sparko I can't.

    But going by the data the majority of liberal, even liberal students support freedom of speech. That's the data. Like it or not. The rest is media narrative which I trust about as far as I can throw it.
    Last edited by Leonhard; 07-25-2018, 12:45 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
      They were against it Sparko. Like it or not, they against that expression and wanted the players punished.
      nobody said everyone has to AGREE with someone else's free speech, Leon. But how you disagree matters. And it wasn't about their freedom of speech. They were employees on their employer's time and contracts. It was about that and about disrespecting the flag.


      You have a small handful of isolated cases.
      A LOT of cases. And there was a study listed. I can go find more if you need Leon. This has been going on for years now on college campuses all over the country.


      They don't add up to much, and for everyone you cited, I cited two other cases of alt-righters (who are right-wings unless you've forgotten it) attacking liberals. Getting them fired. Calling in bomb threats on speakers who talked about socialism or communism. All of this also takes place and is just as much against free speech, yet Fox News and Breitbart don't care about it.
      If some alt-righters are rioting and destroying property to protest liberals free speech then they are wrong too. That doesn't prove that the liberal college students AREN'T against free speech.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        nobody said everyone has to AGREE with someone else's free speech, Leon. But how you disagree matters. And it wasn't about their freedom of speech. They were employees on their employer's time and contracts. It was about that and about disrespecting the flag.


        A LOT of cases. And there was a study listed. I can go find more if you need Leon.
        So can I.

        If some alt-righters are rioting and destroying property to protest liberals free speech then they are wrong too. That doesn't prove that the liberal college students AREN'T against free speech.
        True it doesn't prove that "liberal college students AREN'T against free speech". Its kinda hard to prove a negative. It does prove however that Fox News and Breitbart don't care about free speech. They only care about free speech, if it involves free speech they approve of, or it is something they can use to criticise liberals. Beyond that they don't care or we'd have seen about the Right Wingers who did online harassments against feminists, with forums dedicated to celebrating each time they got one to back down. Reddit even reinstated a forum that was coordinating bullying campaigns against feminists recently. Conservatives didn't say boo, in fact on r/The_Donald they were celebrating it. There'd be reports of the conventions that had to cancel speakers, because alt-righters called in bomb threats. Or of the professors who's speeches got cancelled.

        Where are all those Fox News articles about this? All I see is crickets Sparko. Do you really think Fox News is even remotely interested in the free speech cause?

        I prefer the ACLU they've backed Christian students who've been denied the freedom to pray, or to use God in their speeches, and other causes. If I had to pick any champion in this fight, it'd be them.

        Colour me unimpressed Sparko. I don't buy the koolaid that Breitbart is trying to sell.

        And I don't trust conservatives to champion free speech when they were the ones to roll out McCarthy, and pretty much ban any speech they found vaguely unamerican.

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