We need to discuss things beyond vaccines IMO.
This appears to be a great list of things you can do to ward of illness including the flu:
1)Wash your hands frequently.
2)Stay away from sick people.
3)Stay warm (getting cold does not cause illness by itself, but it can weaken one's immune system).
4)Keep the home air adequately humid (the number of germs actually go down the more humid the air is).
5)Exercise--but not too long!
6)Take vitamin D
7)Live well eating, drinking, sleeping, coping with stress.
(Thank Heather Robson, whose article was re-published in Independent Living.)
I think the chances are that you won't get seriously sick and vaccination would be counterproductive.
Note that if people don't get vaccinated and don't follow the list above, then we might expect some degree of sickness greater than we'd find in people who do follow the list. Hence, it's something when the incidence of sickness in people who didn't get the flu vaccine shot is comparable to that of those who did.
Here's some evidence to support the strategy of optimizing your immune system (see the list above): Goji berries protect against the flu http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/270112.php
Dee Dee Warren wrote in Facebook, November 17:
I don't know how many vaccines have failed clinical trials so that FDA didn't approve them. Dozens?
Tens?
Quality should never be neglected. 5 good studies are worth more than 500 fraudulent or bungled studies. In fact, the value of the latter is worse than zero, unless they can be used as evidence of sleaze or incompetence.
Placebos should not contain sugar, given how bad it is for people and other mammals. So, what should go into the ideal placebo? It may depend on what is being tested in medical trials.
Anyway, do note that the contents of most placebos used in trials are not disclosed. Given how sneaky Big Pharma companies have been shown to be, I rather suspect their placebos are engineered in those trials that the companies fund or actually conduct. One trick is to use low doses of the very thing that is to be tested (ha!) ---thanks, Jenny Thompson of HSI.
Colcrys has been used to treat gout for a very long time, although the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had not approved Colcrys specifically for the treatment of gout prior to 2009. Alternative drugs, such as Allopurinal, are also used to treat gout and related ailments. Until recently, you could treat your own gout using one of these medicines for pennies a day.
In the summer of 2009, the Food and Drug Administration approved Colcrys as a treatment for gout flare-ups and the Mediterranean fever. The FDA gave pharmaceutical company URL Pharma an exclusive marketing agreement for selling Colcrys in exchange for completing studies on Colcrys and paying the FDA a $45 million application fee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchicine#FDA_approval
That deal effectively created a patented drug with no generic alternative. Therefore it gave the company a monopoly for the duration of the agreement. URL Pharma immediately raised the price from less than a dime to nearly 5 dollars per pill.
Shares in Ariad Pharmaceuticals Inc. dropped 60% in price when reports of serious side effects from its leukemia drug surfaced after FDA approval. http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...kMI/story.html
That news may not seem relevant to the issue of vaccine safety and efficacy, but it's more evidence FDA often approves drugs other than vaccines based on inadequate safety trials.
There are now many papers on a type of human cell called CD8 T cells. High levels of those cells in people appear to prevent flu or mitigate it. scholar.google.com has quite a listing http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...%2C48&as_vis=1
High levels of Vitamin D appear to lead to high levels of CD8 T cells as shown in some of this listing of papers http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...%2C48&as_vis=1
By now you should be skeptical of Big Pharma working on a "universal" vaccine against the flu. Likely expensive and with a long list of side effects.
Would you trust anything produced by a company that pays for studies of that thing's safety? This article is cautionary. http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/0...-side-effects/ Also, doctors don't take the time to carefully study those studies, looking for weak spots or outright flaws. This is relevant, we have no reason to think that this sort of negligence and fraud doesn't happen with vaccines.
This article http://link.springer.com/article/10....3020117#page-1 says that for years silver particles have been used for disinfecting water and infection control.
In addition, please look at this article also http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...66093411003788 And this article says nothing about nasty side effects from using colloidal silver; discusses it as though it's safe http://spiritfoods.net/health-benefi...loidal-silver/
Naifs would think that the CDC and the FDA are bulwarks against hordes of diseases. The evidence presented in this article says otherwise.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-g...cluster_102012 It is relevant because the CDC and the FDA have been pushing vaccines on us with great seeming urgency.
Dr. Mark Stengler asserted in his October 6 email periodical that a new study shows that flu shots in fact do cause flu. What's more the symptoms are more severe to the point of death. Unfortunately, he does not give a reference to the study and I have no idea how to search for it. Perhaps one of you know the study, I hope.
Dr Mark Stengler decried cholesterol meds, pointing out several things that are wrong with them:
* Most people who take them don't need them.
* The meds cause horrible side effects including death. Muscle pain, memory loss, risk of diabetes, too.
* there's a natural and cheap alternative that works like a charm.
Red yeast rice.
As you can imagine, Big Pharma hate it. It's natural, so not patentable. Can't be sold for huge markups. Guess what tactic they are using to keep it out of stores? FDA is accusing red yeast rice of being adulterated with monacolin K, which happens to be chemically identical to the drug lovastatin. But monacolin K is naturally in the rice all along.
What's your verdict? Did Merck lie about its mumps vaccine? http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm
Please read this, I will ask questions about your knowledge afterwards http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...009/press.html
If you already knew about telomeres and telomerase let me know, by either posting here or sending me a PM. Why I ask: A doctor is saying that news of those telo thingys are being covered up so that Big Medicine could continue to maintain its patients in a zombie state to maintain big streams of $$$.
This is about the effect financial incentives have on mainstream doctors. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....icleid=1737044 What the results of that study suggest to me is that many mainstream doctors are lazy (more than 35%). They are in medical practice only for the money. Probably many doctors don't bother to investigate whether flu shots are worthwhile.
Alternative to mainstream anti-flu measures. Tamiflu, supposed to be good against the flu, costs $100 per dose or so. Garlic, maybe less than $1 per day. If garlic could do more than Tamiflu without major nasty side effects (Tamiflu does cause those), what would your choice be? And note in the article linked just below, Joseph Mercola claims "no shortage of research showing that herbs and spices are among the healthiest [ways to maintain and restore health]." Note his citations of a Medical News article and Green Med Info's list.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-benefits.aspx
You recall RBerman claimed that alternative medicine especially natural remedies need to be scientifically tested just as new drug candidates do. I suggested that he start a thread himself to air his concerns about alternative medicine. You might be interested, then, that curcumin was compared with fluoxetine (commonly known as Prozac). You just have 1 guess which came off best. In terms of positive ("good") response it was a draw. But curcumin has no known nasty side effects while fluoxetine does.
People should maintain their immune systems the best they can, whether they get vaccine shots or not. One technique, click this
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/m...t-get-the-flu/
Seniors given the flu shots in the past generally don't get the flu about 98% or higher of the time. That's still true for the high-dose shot, according to Dr Mark Stengler. The regular shot attained only 98.17% not sick, according to a recent study, while the high-dose shot did better, attaining 98.57% not sick. Only a slight improvement, but, hey, more than 98% didn't get sick, right?
The study didn't gather statistics from any placebo group or group of unvaccinated people, however. How did they fare? Generally speaking, those people did not get sick better than 97% of the time.
Those vaccines do work--perhaps for people who don't try to keep their immune systems in tip-top shape.
This appears to be a great list of things you can do to ward of illness including the flu:
1)Wash your hands frequently.
2)Stay away from sick people.
3)Stay warm (getting cold does not cause illness by itself, but it can weaken one's immune system).
4)Keep the home air adequately humid (the number of germs actually go down the more humid the air is).
5)Exercise--but not too long!
6)Take vitamin D
7)Live well eating, drinking, sleeping, coping with stress.
(Thank Heather Robson, whose article was re-published in Independent Living.)
I think the chances are that you won't get seriously sick and vaccination would be counterproductive.
Note that if people don't get vaccinated and don't follow the list above, then we might expect some degree of sickness greater than we'd find in people who do follow the list. Hence, it's something when the incidence of sickness in people who didn't get the flu vaccine shot is comparable to that of those who did.
Here's some evidence to support the strategy of optimizing your immune system (see the list above): Goji berries protect against the flu http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/270112.php
Dee Dee Warren wrote in Facebook, November 17:
... I haven't seen any good study showing that vaccines do more harm than good. ...
Tens?
Quality should never be neglected. 5 good studies are worth more than 500 fraudulent or bungled studies. In fact, the value of the latter is worse than zero, unless they can be used as evidence of sleaze or incompetence.
Placebos should not contain sugar, given how bad it is for people and other mammals. So, what should go into the ideal placebo? It may depend on what is being tested in medical trials.
Anyway, do note that the contents of most placebos used in trials are not disclosed. Given how sneaky Big Pharma companies have been shown to be, I rather suspect their placebos are engineered in those trials that the companies fund or actually conduct. One trick is to use low doses of the very thing that is to be tested (ha!) ---thanks, Jenny Thompson of HSI.
Colcrys has been used to treat gout for a very long time, although the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had not approved Colcrys specifically for the treatment of gout prior to 2009. Alternative drugs, such as Allopurinal, are also used to treat gout and related ailments. Until recently, you could treat your own gout using one of these medicines for pennies a day.
In the summer of 2009, the Food and Drug Administration approved Colcrys as a treatment for gout flare-ups and the Mediterranean fever. The FDA gave pharmaceutical company URL Pharma an exclusive marketing agreement for selling Colcrys in exchange for completing studies on Colcrys and paying the FDA a $45 million application fee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchicine#FDA_approval
That deal effectively created a patented drug with no generic alternative. Therefore it gave the company a monopoly for the duration of the agreement. URL Pharma immediately raised the price from less than a dime to nearly 5 dollars per pill.
Shares in Ariad Pharmaceuticals Inc. dropped 60% in price when reports of serious side effects from its leukemia drug surfaced after FDA approval. http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...kMI/story.html
That news may not seem relevant to the issue of vaccine safety and efficacy, but it's more evidence FDA often approves drugs other than vaccines based on inadequate safety trials.
There are now many papers on a type of human cell called CD8 T cells. High levels of those cells in people appear to prevent flu or mitigate it. scholar.google.com has quite a listing http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...%2C48&as_vis=1
High levels of Vitamin D appear to lead to high levels of CD8 T cells as shown in some of this listing of papers http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...%2C48&as_vis=1
By now you should be skeptical of Big Pharma working on a "universal" vaccine against the flu. Likely expensive and with a long list of side effects.
Would you trust anything produced by a company that pays for studies of that thing's safety? This article is cautionary. http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/0...-side-effects/ Also, doctors don't take the time to carefully study those studies, looking for weak spots or outright flaws. This is relevant, we have no reason to think that this sort of negligence and fraud doesn't happen with vaccines.
This article http://link.springer.com/article/10....3020117#page-1 says that for years silver particles have been used for disinfecting water and infection control.
In addition, please look at this article also http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...66093411003788 And this article says nothing about nasty side effects from using colloidal silver; discusses it as though it's safe http://spiritfoods.net/health-benefi...loidal-silver/
Naifs would think that the CDC and the FDA are bulwarks against hordes of diseases. The evidence presented in this article says otherwise.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-g...cluster_102012 It is relevant because the CDC and the FDA have been pushing vaccines on us with great seeming urgency.
Dr. Mark Stengler asserted in his October 6 email periodical that a new study shows that flu shots in fact do cause flu. What's more the symptoms are more severe to the point of death. Unfortunately, he does not give a reference to the study and I have no idea how to search for it. Perhaps one of you know the study, I hope.
Dr Mark Stengler decried cholesterol meds, pointing out several things that are wrong with them:
* Most people who take them don't need them.
* The meds cause horrible side effects including death. Muscle pain, memory loss, risk of diabetes, too.
* there's a natural and cheap alternative that works like a charm.
Red yeast rice.
As you can imagine, Big Pharma hate it. It's natural, so not patentable. Can't be sold for huge markups. Guess what tactic they are using to keep it out of stores? FDA is accusing red yeast rice of being adulterated with monacolin K, which happens to be chemically identical to the drug lovastatin. But monacolin K is naturally in the rice all along.
What's your verdict? Did Merck lie about its mumps vaccine? http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm
Please read this, I will ask questions about your knowledge afterwards http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...009/press.html
If you already knew about telomeres and telomerase let me know, by either posting here or sending me a PM. Why I ask: A doctor is saying that news of those telo thingys are being covered up so that Big Medicine could continue to maintain its patients in a zombie state to maintain big streams of $$$.
This is about the effect financial incentives have on mainstream doctors. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article....icleid=1737044 What the results of that study suggest to me is that many mainstream doctors are lazy (more than 35%). They are in medical practice only for the money. Probably many doctors don't bother to investigate whether flu shots are worthwhile.
Alternative to mainstream anti-flu measures. Tamiflu, supposed to be good against the flu, costs $100 per dose or so. Garlic, maybe less than $1 per day. If garlic could do more than Tamiflu without major nasty side effects (Tamiflu does cause those), what would your choice be? And note in the article linked just below, Joseph Mercola claims "no shortage of research showing that herbs and spices are among the healthiest [ways to maintain and restore health]." Note his citations of a Medical News article and Green Med Info's list.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-benefits.aspx
You recall RBerman claimed that alternative medicine especially natural remedies need to be scientifically tested just as new drug candidates do. I suggested that he start a thread himself to air his concerns about alternative medicine. You might be interested, then, that curcumin was compared with fluoxetine (commonly known as Prozac). You just have 1 guess which came off best. In terms of positive ("good") response it was a draw. But curcumin has no known nasty side effects while fluoxetine does.
People should maintain their immune systems the best they can, whether they get vaccine shots or not. One technique, click this
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/m...t-get-the-flu/
Seniors given the flu shots in the past generally don't get the flu about 98% or higher of the time. That's still true for the high-dose shot, according to Dr Mark Stengler. The regular shot attained only 98.17% not sick, according to a recent study, while the high-dose shot did better, attaining 98.57% not sick. Only a slight improvement, but, hey, more than 98% didn't get sick, right?
The study didn't gather statistics from any placebo group or group of unvaccinated people, however. How did they fare? Generally speaking, those people did not get sick better than 97% of the time.
Those vaccines do work--perhaps for people who don't try to keep their immune systems in tip-top shape.
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