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    I have caught myself a number of times saying "Democrat" when I really meant "Liberal".

    I'm wondering, though, if this distinction is disappearing.

    I have known quite a few older Democrats, who were really quite conservative, and can't seem to face the fact that their party has long ago abandoned them.

    While I still think there's a difference between "Democrat" and "Liberal", I wonder how many CONSERVATIVE Democrats are still around. Particularly in high profile places.

    Have "Democrat" and "Liberal" become pretty much the same?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have caught myself a number of times saying "Democrat" when I really meant "Liberal".

    I'm wondering, though, if this distinction is disappearing.

    I have known quite a few older Democrats, who were really quite conservative, and can't seem to face the fact that their party has long ago abandoned them.

    While I still think there's a difference between "Democrat" and "Liberal", I wonder how many CONSERVATIVE Democrats are still around. Particularly in high profile places.

    Have "Democrat" and "Liberal" become pretty much the same?
    As far as I can tell, they have.

    I'll be interested to hear what other people say though.
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      libercrat!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        libercrat!
        I said in the OP that you weren't allowed to post here! Call a MODERATOR! (a for REALLY one!)
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Umm.... No. We have some relatively conservative democrats in my family, but their the old southern democrats....... Not changing em at all. Also I have a grandpa whose a registered democrat, but hasn't voted with the party since Carter, and since is not pleased with the way Carter has been acting.
            A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              I have caught myself a number of times saying "Democrat" when I really meant "Liberal".

              I'm wondering, though, if this distinction is disappearing.

              I have known quite a few older Democrats, who were really quite conservative, and can't seem to face the fact that their party has long ago abandoned them.

              While I still think there's a difference between "Democrat" and "Liberal", I wonder how many CONSERVATIVE Democrats are still around. Particularly in high profile places.

              Have "Democrat" and "Liberal" become pretty much the same?
              Yes, I grew up in a very Democrat, pro-union, Catholic household. On the wall was a picture of Jesus, the Pope, John Kennedy and Vince Lombardi (we were Italian) in that order. But the Democrats of my youth were very pro military, pro life and rational. Generally fiscally conservative. My father, a WW2 vet, and involved in town politics, was heartbroken over the years as he saw the direction of the party. I doubt that he would be welcomed in the Democratic party of today.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                Umm.... No. We have some relatively conservative democrats in my family, but their the old southern democrats....... Not changing em at all. Also I have a grandpa whose a registered democrat, but hasn't voted with the party since Carter, and since is not pleased with the way Carter has been acting.
                Shouldn't you be baking cookies or doing laundry or making babies?
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Republicans are liberals, too.
                  Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                    Republicans are liberals, too.
                    Many are, yes, but not to the same extent. (College really HAS ruined you )
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Many are, yes, but not to the same extent. (College really HAS ruined you )
                      Of course, there are probably at least 3 different definitions of "liberal," even within Political Science. If you get a political theorist, an American politics specialist, and an International Relations expert to talk about liberalism, you're going to end up with some very different discussions.
                      Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                        Of course, there are probably at least 3 different definitions of "liberal," even within Political Science. If you get a political theorist, an American politics specialist, and an International Relations expert to talk about liberalism, you're going to end up with some very different discussions.
                        Liberal used to mean someone who believed in liberty - no longer...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          Liberal used to mean someone who believed in liberty - no longer...
                          Hmmmm.... is that a fact? You sure you're not thinking of "libertarian"?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Hmmmm.... is that a fact? You sure you're not thinking of "libertarian"?
                            No, I'm thinking of liberalism in the classic Jeffersonian sense.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

                            Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2][3][4] Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, including ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo. It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, natural law, utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.[5]
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              No, I'm thinking of liberalism in the classic Jeffersonian sense.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
                              Ah! OK! Thanks

                              So, the CURRENT liberals want to control every aspect of our lives....
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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