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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I was being facetious -- treating your post with the gravity it deserved.
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Originally posted by phank View PostI agree. But I notice you carefully do not estimate how many students vote by pretending to be someone else. Why not?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by phank View PostI was pointing out that the voter ID laws had nothing to do with fraud and everything to do with voter suppression.
If you aren't capable of noticing this, we understand.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by phank View PostI agree. But I notice you carefully do not estimate how many students vote by pretending to be someone else. Why not?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSo it is a hard and almost impossible thing, to go and get a government issue ID card?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI noticed Phank CAREFULLY did not estimate how many of these students ALSO have a driver's license or State ID card!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieoferror View PostSo it is a hard and almost impossible thing, to go and get a government issue ID card?
In actual practice, if you have a drivers license, you're fine. Otherwise, in Republican states you need to jump through some hoops. Not hard, not expensive, just a pain. And who doesn't have a drivers licence today? Why, by PURE coincidence, THOSE people tend to vote for Democrats. Isn't that amazingLast edited by phank; 04-15-2014, 08:24 PM.
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Originally posted by lilpixieoferror View PostMost of the students I went to school with had a car and, I would hope, a driver's license to drive that car with.
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Originally posted by phank View PostNo, not at all. It's easy. But you might notice (with some effort, admittedly) that the documentation required to GET this ID card is no different from the documentation necessary to vote.
In other words, the ID card issued based on the presented documentation simply duplicates that selfsame documentation! Let's say a birth certioficate is sufficient. Should it make a difference if that certification is presented at the polling place, or presented at the courthouse in order to get an ID accepted at the polling place?
In actual practice, if you have a drivers license, you're fine. Otherwise, in Republican states you need to jump through some hoops. Not hard, not expensive, just a pain. And who doesn't have a drivers licence today? Why, by PURE coincidence, THOSE people tend to vote for Democrats. Isn't that amazingLast edited by lilpixieofterror; 04-15-2014, 08:36 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by phank View PostSame here. But of course, that's not the point. FAR more students (and those of the same age) lack drivers licences than the population as a whole.
Remember, the Republicans are waging a statistical battle here.
If 95% of voters have drivers licences, and only 75% of students have them, this is a statistical edge that MIGHT mean a couple hundred votes."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean the documentation, that many states, have passed to make free for anybody needing an ID card for voting purposes? See phank, I went and looked up these laws back in 2012 when they were coming out and discovered stuff like that. I've had a birth certificate since I was a little girl and I got another one, without much complication, so I'd have two to have one in a lock box in case of a fire or some other event. My husband also had to get one too. We were both able to do this online because we both were born in a different state than where we lived. It didn't take that long or was even that expensive to get both either.
Ever seen a certified Birth Certificate phank? My guess is you haven't? Of course, you seem to be avoiding the issue. You also need an ID card for many other functions of life anyway. You need one if you ever plan on boarding a plane. You need one if you ever plan on cashing a check at a different bank than you hold an account on. It is also always good to have some sort of ID in case something happens to you so the police can quickly get a hold of your family so medical decisions can quickly be made and/or identification, as required. Beside, I've also read that it is estimated that as many as 97% of adults, in most states, have some sort of government Id card anyway. My point? Issues are being made out of nothing, so somebody can score some good political points.
Let's make it as simple as I can. You have documentation X. It's good enough, and you vote. But the law is changed so you need documentation Y to vote. What do you require to get documentation Y? Well, you need X, and that's it. So WHY, if X isn't good enough, is Y good enough? THey are the SAME DAMN THING! The ONLY difference is, you have to make a separate trip to get Y. Could the requirement to make such a trip be important?
Funny how I live in a 'republican state' and I didn't need to jump though any hoops to get myself a drivers license and I had the added complication of being born in a different state. Do you want to try this again or do you just want to keep saying silly things that make almost no sense?Last edited by phank; 04-15-2014, 08:53 PM.
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Originally posted by phank View PostA drivers licenceThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostFunny, most of the ones at my college had a drivers license.
That's right because we all know that Republicans are evil master minds plotting on conquering the world.
So 3 out of 4 already have ID cards and the other 1, can easily get one. I guess it is an impossible task to get a friend to take you down to a DMV so you can get an ID card. I'd also consider that the voter turn out sits well below 75% anyway, so that is just something else that was made up on the spot. If somebody is too lazy to go down and get themselves an ID card anyway, I somehow doubt they are going to go and vote.
And so, the post mortems showed that to the extent that Republican efforts to suppress Democratic votes changed anything, they backfired and boosted Democratic turnout. The INTENT to suppress didn't translate into actual suppression.
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