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  • Russia Investigation

    Not sure if there is another thread generically on this topic, so here's one. I was interested to see this in my news feed this morning. Apparently Nunes is now threatening to impeach Rosenstein and Wray if they do not provide a 2-page, unredacted document that was the initiation point for the original FBI Russia investigation.

    Interesting...
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

  • #2
    It's all part of Nunes' and Goodlatte's ongoing investigation into the corruption of Obama's FBI and DOJ. AG Sessions has also had an attorney on the case for nearly a year, the recently unveiled John Huber.

    The rub is that there are likely things that Sessions and Huber know that they can't reveal to the Congressional committee because it is evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation, which is why Sessions appointed John Lausch to review and release documents to lawmakers, because it keeps Huber one-step removed from Washington politics.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Source: Access Granted – DOJ Gives Devin Nunes, Trey Gowdy and HPSCI Leadership Access To Intelligence Origination Documents…

      Today Rosenstein and Wray allowed Chairman Nunes and Trey Gowdy to review the origination document, also known as the “electronic communication” (EC). House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes issued the following statement today:

      “After numerous unfulfilled requests for an Electronic Communication (EC) related to the opening of the FBI’s Russia counterintelligence probe, Chairman Trey Gowdy and I met this afternoon with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. During the meeting, we were finally given access to a version of the EC that contained the information necessary to advance the Committee’s ongoing investigation of the Department of Justice and FBI. Although the subpoenas issued by this Committee in August 2017 remain in effect, I’d like to thank Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein for his cooperation today.”

      The two-page electronic communication (EC) is essentially the intelligence report from CIA Director John Brennan, that started the FBI Counterintelligence Operation against the campaign of Donald Trump.

      From The Hill: […] According to a Justice Department official, the remaining redactions in the document are “narrowly tailored to protect the name of a foreign country and the name of a foreign agent.” Specifics have been replaced with identifiers like “foreign official” and “foreign government,” the official said.

      “These words must remain redacted after determining that revealing the words could harm the national security of the American people by undermining the trust we have with this foreign nation,” the official continued, adding that they appear “only a limited number of times, and do no obstruct the underlying meaning of the document.”


      However, thanks to leaks from John Brennan (CIA) and James Clapper (ODNI) to the New York Times we already know the ridiculous content of the redactions. The “foreign nation” was Australia, and the “foreign agent” was Alexander Downer.

      [...]

      The New York Times leak was specifically structured around the CIA “electronic communication”. However, the story within the origination document is abject nonsense.

      ♦If Papadopoulos having a conversation in a London bar in May 2016 was the origination of the FBI counterintelligence operation against the Trump campaign. Then why did the FBI wait until January 15th 2017 to talk to Papadopoulos for the first time?

      ♦Further, if a Papadopolous conversation in May 2016 was the origin, the source material, of the FBI counterintelligence operation, then why was the FBI denied a FISA application in June/July 2016?

      The far more realistic review says George Papadopoulos talking in May 2016, is likely about this open and public information from April 2016 about Guccifer hacking Hillary Clinton email [LINK].

      The intelligence community “EC” was an excuse to start an FBI counterintelligence operation against the candidacy of Donald Trump. The true intent of the counterintel-op was to provide a cover-story for the DOJ and FBI “small group” political opposition research and surveillance that was already ongoing.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...ton-probe.html

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      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        I wouldn't be surprised if Nunes ends up being hit with an obstruction of justice charge. He's clearly gone all-in on the "I'm a complete hack, let's sabotage the investigation ASAP" strategy.

        I have to suspect that his motivation is that he knows that he himself is guilty of doing something illegal when he was working for the Trump campaign.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            Not sure if there is another thread generically on this topic, so here's one. I was interested to see this in my news feed this morning. Apparently Nunes is now threatening to impeach Rosenstein and Wray if they do not provide a 2-page, unredacted document that was the initiation point for the original FBI Russia investigation.

            Interesting...
            Nunes was head of the Trump transition team. What is he doing heading the House investigation? It's ridiculous, and his activities as head of that committee makes me think that he may himself have something to hide with respect to the roll he played on that transition team.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              I wouldn't be surprised if Nunes ends up being hit with an obstruction of justice charge. He's clearly gone all-in on the "I'm a complete hack, let's sabotage the investigation ASAP" strategy.
              He's long been Trump's mini-me.

              I have to suspect that his motivation is that he knows that he himself is guilty of doing something illegal when he was working for the Trump campaign.
              For sure. If Trump goes, as is likely, then Nunes goes too.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                Nunes was head of the Trump transition team. What is he doing heading the House investigation? It's ridiculous, and his activities as head of that committee makes me think that he may himself have something to hide with respect to the roll he played on that transition team.
                Well there's new calls for him to be removed from that investigation:

                Now You’re Free, Paul Ryan. Fire Devin Nunes.

                Sadly, Ryan has presided over the abrupt destruction of one of Congress’s most important national security functions: intelligence oversight. As the sole person in this country with the ability to rein in or replace the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), Devin Nunes, Ryan bears ultimate responsibility for Nunes’ bizarre and counterproductive behavior. ...the speaker alone picks the committee chair and the membership for the Republicans.

                So he [Ryan] owns Nunes’ shameful handling of the Russia probe, and his hijinks on behalf of the White House.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Liberals are afraid that Nunes is getting too close to the truth.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Liberals are afraid that Nunes is getting too close to the truth.
                    I think Nunes is about as close to the truth as Alex Jones.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                      I think Nunes is about as close to the truth as Alex Jones.
                      That's because you're a low-information ignoramus.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Well there's new calls for him to be removed from that investigation:

                        Now You’re Free, Paul Ryan. Fire Devin Nunes.

                        Sadly, Ryan has presided over the abrupt destruction of one of Congress’s most important national security functions: intelligence oversight. As the sole person in this country with the ability to rein in or replace the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), Devin Nunes, Ryan bears ultimate responsibility for Nunes’ bizarre and counterproductive behavior. ...the speaker alone picks the committee chair and the membership for the Republicans.

                        So he [Ryan] owns Nunes’ shameful handling of the Russia probe, and his hijinks on behalf of the White House.
                        Ryan isn't going to replace Nunes now, that would only go to show what a political coward he has been all this time. Either that, or he was all in with Nunes. Either way, I think Ryan is just going to abandon ship and let his reputation go down with it.

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                        • #13
                          OK gents - I'm going to ask that you refrain from personal attacks in threads I start. Leave people's names alone, focus on the arguments, and leave any school-yard behavior to the kids in the schoolyard please. If you cannot, then please find another thread to post in.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #14
                            So a rundown of the salient points we can glean from this (note that these are documented facts and not guesswork or idle speculation!):

                            1) Papadopoulos talking casually in a London bar in May 2016 about Russian hackers was almost certainly referring to Guccifier's widely reported confession in April 2016 to breaking into Hillary's server. Papadopoulos didn't have any "insider" information as has been portrayed by the left. How do we know this? Because...

                            2) The FBI waited until January 2017 to talk to Papadopoulos for the first time. That's EIGHT-MONTHS after supposedly identifying him as a person of interest and material witness in May 2016. If he was so important to their case then why did they wait so long before getting his testimony on the record? And after all of that, the worst they could do was give him a "lying to investigators" slap on the wrist.

                            3) Furthermore, the original June/July 2016 FISA application, which was based entirely on a report from an Australian intelligence agent who supposedly overheard Papadopoulos' conversation in the London bar, was DENIED. This forced McCabe and his team to resort to Plan B: the phony "golden showers" dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary's campaign. Of particular interest here is here is that FBI Deputy Director McCabe was "removed" from his position just hours after these details came to light in the original Nunes memo, and he was eventually fired by Sessions after more details of his corruption were discovered in Huber's ongoing criminal investigation of Obama's FBI/DOJ.

                            And the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper and deeper.

                            It's taking a long time, there is a lot -- and I mean a LOT -- of resistance from the left (do you really think the timing of the Cohen raid was a coincidence?), but the truth is slowly coming out.
                            Last edited by Mountain Man; 04-12-2018, 08:50 AM.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              So a rundown of the salient points we can glean from this (note that these are documented facts and not guesswork or idle speculation!):
                              So let's look at these, and see if your claim (above) holds water.

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              1) Papadopoulos talking casually in a London bar in May 2016 about Russian hackers was almost certainly referring to Guccifier's widely reported confession in April 2016 to breaking into Hillary's server.
                              So two things immediately jump out here. The article does not say that there is any kind of proof that the Papadopoulos drunken reference was about Guccifier. They are pointing to the timing and making an inference. So, this falls under the classification "guesswork" or "speculation." As an aside, I also note that the article cites an "unnamed source in intelligence." When this is done by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or CBS, it is called "fake news." Now, don't get me wrong - I don't have any problem with "unnamed sources." I know that media outlets have to have sources, and many times those sources don't want to be publicly identified. To maintain those sources, the fourth estate protects their identify and has defined ways of verifying the information (e.g., multiple independent sources, etc.). That is business as usual. However, if the right is going to object to "unnamed sources," I suggest they be consistent, and require named sources of ALL media outlets and reject stories based on "unnamed sources" as "fake news" from ALL media outlets, not just the ones they dislike.

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Papadopoulos didn't have any "insider" information as has been portrayed by the left. How do we know this? Because...

                              2) The FBI waited until January 2017 to talk to Papadopoulos for the first time. That's EIGHT-MONTHS after supposedly identifying him as a person of interest and material witness in May 2016. If he was so important to their case then why did they wait so long before getting his testimony on the record? And after all of that, the worst they could do was give him a "lying to investigators" slap on the wrist.
                              Again, we are in the world of "speculation" and "guesswork" as a function of timing. The entire argument rests on "why did they take so long." Since none of us was privy to the flow of the investigation, we cannot answer this question. There are certainly many possibilities, from staffing constraints, to order of investigation, to requirements for not "tipping their hand" before other things transpired. And, of course, it could be exactly what you are claiming. The fact is, we don't know - and you are guessing/speculating.

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              3) Furthermore, the original June/July 2016 FISA application, which was based entirely on a report from an Australian intelligence agent who supposedly overheard Papadopoulos' conversation in the London bar, was DENIED. This forced McCabe and his team to resort to Plan B: the phony "golden showers" dossier, bought and paid for by Hillary's campaign. Of particular interest here is here is that FBI Deputy Director McCabe was "removed" from his position just hours after these details came to light in the original Nunes memo, and he was eventually fired by Sessions after more details of his corruption were discovered in Huber's ongoing criminal investigation of Obama's FBI/DOJ.
                              The denial of a FISA application does not necessarily mean there is nothing to investigate. It means that the applicant did not provide compelling enough information to prove the case. I have also seen no place that documents that the Steele dossier was NOT part of the initial application, so this also appears to be "guesswork" and speculation." There are also a few other data points that seem to be regularly ignored:

                              1) We do not know the full scope of the information provided to the FISA court.
                              2) The FISA approval was renewed three times, which legally requires the applicant to show that the previous period of monitoring produced viable intelligence.
                              3) There were three different FISA judges involved, and not a single one of them, as a result of the Nunes memo, or any of the accusations from the right, has stepped forward to say, "wow, information was withheld from me - let's get to the bottom of this."

                              I am glad to see this has occurred - and I have no idea why the memo was held from this group for as long as it was. However, again, any conclusion drawn by that time lapse is simply "guesswork" and "idle speculation." It could be that they were trying to hide something that makes them look bad. It also could be that the memo contains intelligence who's public release could compromise their investigation. If the Nunes committee and Trump can elect to "declassify" things at their discretion, that would be of concern. However, the fact is, we don't know why - and any guess as to the why is back into the land of speculation.

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              It's taking a long time, there is a lot -- and I mean a LOT -- of resistance from the left, but the truth is slowly coming out.
                              So, after claiming no speculation, no guesswork, your post turns out to be one guess, one inference, after another.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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