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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIf i remember correctly that wealth got burned to the ground during the civil war."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIf i remember correctly that wealth got burned to the ground during the civil war.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostWhere is the contradiction? I have been working with people with all sorts of religious and cultural backgrounds and had no problem wtih it.
"Diversity is good as long as we all work together."
"Diversity is irrelevant as long as we all work together."
In other words, the important thing is not diversity but working together.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThese statements are logically equivalent:
"Diversity is good as long as we all work together."
"Diversity is irrelevant as long as we all work together."
In other words, the important thing is not diversity but working together.
Your point is certainly dependent on the interpretation. You can focus on “working together” as the important part and say you are less focused on whether diversity is good or irrelevant as long as we work together but you could also hold the view that what we produce together gets better since we are diverse. Most of us get wiser and produce better if we are challenged by other ways of doing things and other ways of thinking. That part is lost in the “diversity is irrelevant” part."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostI still don’t see the contradiction…
Your point is certainly dependent on the interpretation. You can focus on “working together” as the important part and say you are less focused on whether diversity is good or irrelevant as long as we work together but you could also hold the view that what we produce together gets better since we are diverse. Most of us get wiser and produce better if we are challenged by other ways of doing things and other ways of thinking. That part is lost in the “diversity is irrelevant” part.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Keep in mind that for many liberals diversity means nothing more than a bunch of folks with different shades of skin all sharing the same (liberal) outlook.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostKeep in mind that for many liberals diversity means nothing more than a bunch of folks with different shades of skin all sharing the same (liberal) outlook.
Diversity
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Not diversity
stock-photo-group-of-men-isolated-on-white-background-134839979.jpgSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm not sure if you realize that you're committing the fallacy of equivocation. When you say "diversity", you mean exclusively racial and cultural diversity, but even among a group of middle class American white males with a similar upbringing, you'll find a diversity of thought and opinion on any number of subjects, but that, of course, is not the kind of thing liberals are referring to when you use the term "diversity". On the contrary, your kind of toxic political correctness leads to things like rejecting an eminently qualified candidate for curating an African art exhibit simply because she happens to be white.
I like the fact that you have to make up a fallacy where there is none. You wrote: “When you say "diversity", you mean exclusively racial and cultural diversity, but even among a group of middle class American white males with a similar upbringing, you'll find a diversity of thought and opinion on any number of subjects, but that, of course, is not the kind of thing liberals are referring to when you use the term "diversity". “
Where do I say that I only mean “racial and cultural diversity”? It is the topic we are discussing, yes, but that certainly does not mean that I restrict my point about diversity to only go for that part. So you are putting words in my mouth. It would be easier if we would all fit in such boxes, I agree. But actually it is rather interesting that we don’t."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLiberal "logic"...
Diversity
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Not diversity
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What I wanted to point out is that this is just another case of you making up ideas about what "liberals" think (as if they all think the same). Whether the pictures show diversity or not of course depends on the context. I guess we can all agree that none of the pictures show any women, children and so on..."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm not sure if you realize that you're committing the fallacy of equivocation. When you say "diversity", you mean exclusively racial and cultural diversity, but even among a group of middle class American white males with a similar upbringing, you'll find a diversity of thought and opinion on any number of subjects, but that, of course, is not the kind of thing liberals are referring to when you use the term "diversity". [...]
The text you refer to as containing this fallacy is:
Your point is certainly dependent on the interpretation. You can focus on “working together” as the important part and say you are less focused on whether diversity is good or irrelevant as long as we work together but you could also hold the view that what we produce together gets better since we are diverse. Most of us get wiser and produce better if we are challenged by other ways of doing things and other ways of thinking. That part is lost in the “diversity is irrelevant” part."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostThe fallacy of equivocation is defined as: "Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading."
You imply that you're using the term "diversity" in its general sense when you are, in fact, referring to a specific ideology and political agenda. Textbook.
Ironically, suggesting, as liberals do, that diversity can only take a certain form and none other is not diversity but conformity, and in extreme cases it's outright bigotry.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
You imply that you're using the term "diversity" in its general sense when you are, in fact, referring to a specific ideology and political agenda. Textbook.
Ironically, suggesting, as liberals do, that diversity can only take a certain form and none other is not diversity but conformity, and in extreme cases it's outright bigotry.
However, even if I used the word "diversity" in a narrow and rather specific sence then that in itself is not the fallacy of equivocation. In order for it to be the fallacy of equivocation the same word needs to be used more than once and in two different meanings. You remember the definition: "Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading."
Where do I use it in two different meanings in what I wrote?"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View Post...even if I used the word "diversity" in a narrow and rather specific sence then that in itself is not the fallacy of equivocation.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt is when you sneakily imply that you're talking in broader terms.
2) Even if i did so it is still not the fallacy of equivocation. I will give you the definition once again: "Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading.""Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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