DACA and Dreamers

[Cow Poke]

Umm..

This always means you're gonna say something dumb. (kidding)

we have legal citizens who are self-professed Neo-Nazis.

We do.

Why would we not call them what they call themselves?

I think you typed before you thought. That's a very finite group - and it's not only them what are being called "Nazis".

As for dreamers, it's an apt title.

In the case of some of them, no doubt.

They dream of being legal U.S. citizens and members of this country...

Some of them probably do, but it's just dumb to assume that's all of them.

and lack the means to make it happen.

In some cases, sure.

As for "racist," I think I'll let that one go...

Ya know, Carpe, seriously, I'm beginning to think you only post to see yourself type.

[Bill the Cat]

Well, as someone else noted, we'll have to agree to disagree. Unless they are in violation of a law beyond a misdemeanor, I see it as a gross injustice to deport these young people, and would like to see a rigorous, accessible, affordable, and time-bound path to citizenship created.

And welcome others to do the same thing... thus the vicious circle continues...

[rogue06]

Only in America are legal citizens labeled "racists" and "Nazis", but illegal aliens are called "Dreamers."

Ironically according to a Harvard-Harris poll the group most opposed to immigration -- including legal immigration -- are one of the Democrat's most faithful constituents. African Americans. Those dang Nazi racists smiley fist shake.gif

[carpedm9587]

This always means you're gonna say something dumb. (kidding)

We do.

I think you typed before you thought. That's a very finite group - and it's not only them what are being called "Nazis".

Well, your post was too general - what can I say. They are citizens and self-professed Nazis. I'm pretty sure other countries have such people can call them "Nazis," so clearly it is not just the U.S.

In the case of some of them, no doubt.

Some of them probably do, but it's just dumb to assume that's all of them.

In some cases, sure.

From what we know, CP, most of them fit this description. They are 95%+ in school or working, they grew up here. I don't recall seeing a single article or example of a "dreamer" who was interviewed saying, "I can't wait to be old enough to get out of here." I think the description, in general, is apt.

Ya know, Carpe, seriously, I'm beginning to think you only post to see yourself type.

Of course! Don't we all? Indeed - doesn't your post that started this meet that description?

[carpedm9587]

And welcome others to do the same thing... thus the vicious circle continues...

It doesn't have to be a viscious circle, if we adopt a "stake in the sand" approach and (this time) actually stick to it and support it with adequate infrastructure. I simply do not think it is just to place the burden for a situation is that is party due to a parent's decision, and partly due to a flawed set of immigration laws and poor enforcement, on the backs of these young people. As I noted, the only "illegal" thing they did was turn 18, and their illegal act is a misdemeanor. IMO, the proposed punishment does not fit the crime.

And yes, I know - deport them all - no exceptions. I understand. I just disagree.

[Jedidiah]

It doesn't have to be a viscious circle, if we adopt a "stake in the sand" approach and (this time) actually stick to it and support it with adequate infrastructure. I simply do not think it is just to place the burden for a situation is that is party due to a parent's decision, and partly due to a flawed set of immigration laws and poor enforcement, on the backs of these young people. As I noted, the only "illegal" thing they did was turn 18, and their illegal act is a misdemeanor. IMO, the proposed punishment does not fit the crime.

And yes, I know - deport them all - no exceptions. I understand. I just disagree.

The problem is any "stake in the sand" will only last until another administration/legislature changes it. Unless the border is actually closed first all other "solutions" are just future problems waiting.

[Cow Poke]

Well, your post was too general

Yes, it was a general statement just waiting for some pedantic poster to come along and pick nit.

[carpedm9587]

The problem is any "stake in the sand" will only last until another administration/legislature changes it. Unless the border is actually closed first all other "solutions" are just future problems waiting.

Agreed. That's what we did in the 80s, putting us where we are now.

[carpedm9587]

Yes, it was a general statement just waiting for some pedantic poster to come along and pick nit.

Hush - your betters are having an adult conversation...


(and what the heck do my posts have to do with my feet? )

[Cow Poke]

Hush - your betters are having an adult conversation...

[ looking around ] I thought this was Tweb!

[carpedm9587]

[ looking around ] I thought this was Tweb!

It's pretty bad when you have to explain your emojis...

[demi-conservative]

Sounds like Dem party abandoning illegal DACAs too, racism becoming bipartisan!!!