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  • Dawkins, a 'cultural Christian?'

    You wonder if he will ever take the final step..

    Famous atheist says he identifies as a 'cultural Christian' and is 'horrified' by promotion of Islamic holiday

    Dawkins says he would choose Christianity over Islam 'every single time'

    A famous atheist and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins explained he identifies as a "cultural Christian" in an interview after learning Ramadan lights were hung on a street in the UK as opposed to hanging lights to celebrate Easter.

    Dawkins was referring to Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, turning on 30,000 lights for Ramadan – the Muslim holy month – on the cusp of Easter weekend on Oxford Street.

    "I must say I'm slightly horrified to hear that Ramadan is being promoted instead," Dawkins said in an interview with Rachel S. Johnson of LBC Sunday. "I feel that we are a Christian country."

    "It's true that statistically, the number of people who actually believe in Christianity is going down and I'm happy with that, but I would not be happy if, for example, we lost all our cathedrals and our beautiful parish churches. So, I count myself a cultural Christian. I think it would matter if we... substituted any alternative religion, that would be truly dreadful," he told the media outlet.

    Dawkins said that if he had to choose between Christianity and Islam, he would choose Christianity "every single time."

    "It seems to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a way that I think Islam is not."

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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    You wonder if he will ever take the final step..
    He might. I doubt it.
    I probably will not either.

    A "cultural christian" is a person who's grown up in a world steeped in Christian impact. The world bleeds over, it's values, it's culture, etc. Even someone who doesn't believe in the bible will be a part of, and absorb that culture.

    It's culturally, alot like washing a white shirt with a red baseball cap. Even though the shirt is not red, that dye still seeps into the fabric.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      You wonder if he will ever take the final step..
      If anyone knew deep down that all this complexity in the universe didn't come about by accident, it would definitely be him.

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      • #4
        Considering this...

        "It's true that statistically, the number of people who actually believe in Christianity is going down and I'm happy with that, but I would not be happy if, for example, we lost all our cathedrals and our beautiful parish churches. So, I count myself a cultural Christian."

        ...I don't think Dawkins is on the verge of converting. It sounds more like he wants the trappings and moral restraint taught by Christianity without the "baggage" of belief in the resurrection of Jesus and repentance from sins.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seanD View Post

          If anyone knew deep down that all this complexity in the universe didn't come about by accident, it would definitely be him.
          The premise of his book The Blind Watchmaker is that we must reject any notion that the universe is the product of intelligent design despite the overwhelming evidence that would naturally lead one to that conclusion.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Considering this...

            "It's true that statistically, the number of people who actually believe in Christianity is going down and I'm happy with that, but I would not be happy if, for example, we lost all our cathedrals and our beautiful parish churches. So, I count myself a cultural Christian."

            ...I don't think Dawkins is on the verge of converting. It sounds more like he wants the trappings and moral restraint taught by Christianity without the "baggage" of belief in the resurrection of Jesus and repentance from sins.
            I actually think Brits like Dawkins are seeing the increasing influence in the UK and he doesn't like it, it worries him. And it should...
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Considering this...

              "It's true that statistically, the number of people who actually believe in Christianity is going down and I'm happy with that, but I would not be happy if, for example, we lost all our cathedrals and our beautiful parish churches. So, I count myself a cultural Christian."

              ...I don't think Dawkins is on the verge of converting. It sounds more like he wants the trappings and moral restraint taught by Christianity without the "baggage" of belief in the resurrection of Jesus and repentance from sins.
              I think we should pray for him nonetheless. It would be interesting to have a Paul of our time (a staunch enemy of the faith you would never expect to become a staunch defender) and who that candidate could potentially be.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seanD View Post

                I think we should pray for him nonetheless. It would be interesting to have a Paul of our time (a staunch enemy of the faith you would never expect to become a staunch defender) and who that candidate could potentially be.
                No doubt. I wasn't saying it's impossible he will ever become a Christian, just that, with his present mindset, and his years of bitter opposition to the Christian faith, I find it unlikely. But, of course, all things are possible with God.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  I caught a clip of this earlier- didn't catch it live as I'm not a fan of that particular presenter, so I didn't know he was on.

                  I took him to mean he's culturally Christian in the sense that he lives in a Christian country (though attendance is down year on year we don't have separation of church and state here), where Christmas, Easter, etc are all national holidays. He likes the architecture of old churches and cathedrals, and wouldn't want them to disappear.

                  Where I disagree with him is that his take on Christianity is largely because it's influence has been neutered. If I asked him, I doubt very much he'd want the way it saturates life and politics in the USA to be replicated here, for example.

                  He also seems to be concerned about Islam and it's spread. I think that largely the 'threat' of Islam is overstated and blown out of proportion by our billionaire non-dom owned 'press', but I take issue with a lot of certain sects of that faith, as I do others.

                  He wouldn't want Islam to replace Christianity in the UK, but I don't really see that happening either.

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                  • #10
                    I don't like the term "cultural Christian". "Christian" means follower of Christ. We shouldn't stand for letting people identify with that word without any actual desire to follow Christ. Christianity is not a social trend.
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                    • #11
                      If you read Dawkins' book The God Delusion (which I highly recommend, and which is much more thoughtful and nuanced than its adversarial title), you'll see he's always liked the bible as literature, and enjoys the artistic, literary, traditions and cultural trimmings of Christianity. It doesn't stop him thinking God doesn't exist.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        I don't like the term "cultural Christian". "Christian" means follower of Christ. We shouldn't stand for letting people identify with that word without any actual desire to follow Christ. Christianity is not a social trend.
                        How are you going to not "stand" for it?

                        It's better that he at least qualify his label, unlike Democrats who are enemies of democracy, or Antifa who are actually fascists, or tolerant progressives who are actually racists.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          I don't like the term "cultural Christian". "Christian" means follower of Christ. We shouldn't stand for letting people identify with that word without any actual desire to follow Christ. Christianity is not a social trend.
                          If you have a better (non-hostile) term for what's being described, I'm sure that Dawkins would gladly use it. He doesn't strike me as someone who particularly likes using the word christian as an identifier for himself.

                          As I said earlier:
                          A "cultural christian" is a person who's grown up in a world steeped in Christian impact. The world bleeds over, it's values, it's culture, etc. Even someone who doesn't believe in the bible will be a part of, and absorb that culture.

                          It's culturally, alot like washing a white shirt with a red baseball cap. Even though the shirt is not red, that dye still seeps into the fabric.


                          This is a person who holds major christian holidays as important, for tradition reasons as opposed to religious ones. Christmas is a time for family gatherings, gift giving, etc. It's important because it's 'always been important' (They hold it important for the same sort of tradition reasons that christmas trees are used by the religious even though the the tree's really have no part in the religious event it is celebrating)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                            I caught a clip of this earlier- didn't catch it live as I'm not a fan of that particular presenter, so I didn't know he was on.

                            I took him to mean he's culturally Christian in the sense that he lives in a Christian country (though attendance is down year on year we don't have separation of church and state here), where Christmas, Easter, etc are all national holidays. He likes the architecture of old churches and cathedrals, and wouldn't want them to disappear.

                            Where I disagree with him is that his take on Christianity is largely because it's influence has been neutered. If I asked him, I doubt very much he'd want the way it saturates life and politics in the USA to be replicated here, for example.

                            He also seems to be concerned about Islam and it's spread. I think that largely the 'threat' of Islam is overstated and blown out of proportion by our billionaire non-dom owned 'press', but I take issue with a lot of certain sects of that faith, as I do others.

                            He wouldn't want Islam to replace Christianity in the UK, but I don't really see that happening either.
                            My first thought was that the entire thing was an April Fool stunt.
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                            The things that you're liable
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                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              The premise of his book The Blind Watchmaker is that we must reject any notion that the universe is the product of intelligent design despite the overwhelming evidence that would naturally lead one to that conclusion.
                              You clearly haven't read it, so your claims about it are worthless.
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