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    Of course this caused much pearl clutching and outrage on the left. I wonder if this is much different than Biden saying to blacks that if you don't vote for me you ain't black.


    Trump's comments on Jews who vote for Democrats draw outrage

    New YorkFormer President Donald Trump on Monday charged that Jews who vote for Democrats "hate Israel" and "their religion," igniting a firestorm of criticism from the White House and Jewish leaders.

    Trump, in an interview, had been asked about Democrats' growing criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over his handling of the war in Gaza as the civilian death toll continues to mount.

    "I actually think they hate Israel," Trump responded to his former aide, Sebastian Gorka. "I think they hate Israel. And the Democrat Party hates Israel."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-c...crats-outrage/
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  • #2
    Some of the establishment Dems appeared pretty adamant in their support for Israel in the beginning, which was causing quite a bit of friction in the party. It's hard to believe this flip, especially in regard to Schumer who seemed the most adamant in his support, wasn't political in nature, particularly the partitioning that Rashida Tlaib was causing.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      Some of the establishment Dems appeared pretty adamant in their support for Israel in the beginning, which was causing quite a bit of friction in the party. It's hard to believe this flip, especially in regard to Schumer who seemed the most adamant in his support, wasn't political in nature, particularly the partitioning that Rashida Tlaib was causing.
      Is it really?

      You must ‘remember what Amalek has done to you,'” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu admonished on Oct. 28, as he announced the “second phase” of Israel’s war in Gaza, the ground invasion that is now underway.
      https://www.salon.com/2023/11/13/bib...ian-far-right/


      Invoking a 2,500 year-old grudge probably will give supporters pause, as will reports of fried and shellshocked babies.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by whag View Post

        Is it really?

        You must ‘remember what Amalek has done to you,'” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu admonished on Oct. 28, as he announced the “second phase” of Israel’s war in Gaza, the ground invasion that is now underway.
        https://www.salon.com/2023/11/13/bib...ian-far-right/


        Invoking a 2,500 year-old grudge probably will give supporters pause, as will reports of fried and shellshocked babies.
        Putting the putrid leftist rag that you cited aside, Schumer was all gungho in his support for Israel long after Netanyahu made that speech. It seems political, as I said. Tlaib was causing too much friction in the party too close to an election for Schumer to chance it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seanD View Post

          Putting the putrid leftist rag that you cited aside, Schumer was all gungho in his support for Israel long after Netanyahu made that speech. It seems political, as I said. Tlaib was causing too much friction in the party too close to an election for Schumer to chance it.
          Didn’t you post a Western Lensman video? I wouldn’t be spitting about ideological bias at this point:





          Israel's relentless air and ground attacks on Gaza threaten to erase the besieged enclave's small Christian community of about 1,000 people.
          OTHERS

          Nuns comfort a Palestinian woman as she mourns the death of a relative, killed in Israeli airstrikes that hit a church, during a funeral service in Gaza City, Friday, October 20, 2023. / Photo: AP

          Grief and desperation have overtaken Gaza in a season that is usually marked by merriment, as Israel continues its unrelenting attacks on the besieged enclave, where one Palestinian Christian Ibrahim Al Amash summarised the somber situation by saying: “There is no holiday spirit here in Gaza.”

          During the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza, a large number of Christians in the enclave were killed and injured by Israeli airstrikes and direct shooting by the Israeli army.

          Since an October 7 attack by the Palestinian resistance group, Hamas, Israel has pounded Gaza, killing more than 20,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children, and injuring 53,320, according to health authorities in the enclave.

          The Israeli onslaught has left Gaza in ruins with half of the coastal territory's housing stock damaged, or destroyed and nearly 2 million people displaced within the densely populated enclave amid shortages of food and clean water.

          With 20,000+ deaths, Israel wipes out about 1% of Gaza's pre-war population


          Fears of extermination

          “At the beginning of the war, we took refuge in the Church of St. Porphyrius in Gaza City, but the church was targeted by Israeli warplanes which resulted in the killing and injuring of a large number of people,” Amash, 45, told Anadolu.

          “There is no safe place for Christians or Muslims here in Gaza,” he said.

          Amash expressed the “fear of genocide” saying: “There are new massacres every day.”

          “I have lost many relatives and friends to this war,” he said. “I have never witnessed destruction of this magnitude before in my life.”

          “This is the most vicious war I have ever witnessed. I don’t know what to say. There are dead people everywhere,” said Amash.

          He explained that the Christian community is very small in Gaza.

          “In this war, we are threatened with annihilation by Israeli bombing,” he said.

          “As the birthday of Jesus Christ approaches, the hearts of the Christians in Gaza and the rest of Palestine are nowhere around the holiday spirit,” said Amash, stressing that “even if the bombing stops, we will not celebrate, we will only pray for the end of the war, for peace, so that people can return to their homes."

          An Israeli sniper killed a mother and her daughter and injured seven others Saturday in the only Catholic church in Gaza, said the local Latin Catholic Church authority.

          The incident was deplored by Pope Francis, who suggested that Israel was using “terrorism” tactics in Gaza.


          Can you believe he referenced Amalek? Bibi takes his Judaism seriously.


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          • #6
            Seems pretty anti-Semitic of Trump.

            US Jewish voters have typically voted Democratic over Republican to the same sorts of degrees that Black Americans have. So Trump's painting with a really broad brush when he speaks of US Jews who vote Democratic as that's most of them.

            Trump should apologize for his anti-Semitic comments.

            Originally posted by seer View Post
            Former President Donald Trump on Monday charged that Jews who vote for Democrats "hate Israel" and "their religion,"
            Jewish religious views are diverse, and have diverse implications regarding Israel. A lot of the initial pushback in the early 20th century against the formation of Israel from within the Jewish community came from Orthodox Judaism on religious grounds: They believed the Messiah will re-establish Israel, so to do it as a run-of-the-mill human political project is to pre-empt that. That view has become less common today, but still exists in some Orthodox circles.

            For an atheist / "Christian" like Trump, in his ignorance and stupidity, to declare to Jews as a whole what their religion says is pretty bad. It's not like he's studied the diversity of their religious views and is expressing an informed opinion, he's just spouting ignorance.

            It's also an obvious falsehood to imply that the Democratic party hasn't been supportive of Israel. Up til now, unconditional support for Israel has been near-unanimous in both the Dem and Republican party. There probably hasn't been a US President in history who's as pro-Israel as Joe Biden is (much to the disgust of some of his base). I think we're seeing a break-point now, and I think in maybe a few years time there might become stark differences between the official Dem party line on Israel compared to the Republican party, but that's not the case currently.

            Also, I would note, that in general, Jews living outside of Israel aren't obligated to love Israel. There might be many reasons why they haven't moved to Israel, and one of those reasons might be that they're not thrilled about Israel and its actions. To consider one American Jew: Albert Einstein. When Israel was formed he was invited to move to Israel and become its first President. He declined. His views on Israel were complex and nuanced, but he was really put off by what he saw as morally bad actions of major groups in Israel.

            As someone part-Jewish who lives outside of Israel - I view the existence of Israel as actively dangerous for Jews - it consolidates a huge number of Jews in one place among peoples who are unhappy about them being there, and hence puts massive numbers of Jews at risk if someone were to smuggle in a nuke and detonate it, or just do a successful attack against Israel.* It also puts other Jews at risk around the world, because whenever Israel does something to annoy its neighbours and make the news, anti-Semitic attacks around rest of the world go up, because anti-Semites everywhere falsely conflate Israel with all Jews. So Israel's existence endangers Jews inside Israel and Jews outside Israel. Jewish people are in general much safer integrated into the populations of safe Western countries than in Israel. I also view Israel as morally atrocious in that it's stealing Palestinian land and oppressing Palestinians in exactly the same sorts of ways that the early American colonists did to native Americans, and IMO the world is supposed to have learned the lesson that that's morally bad at least a century ago, so it's pure evil to see it reoccurring in the present day because we're supposed to know better now. When I see Israel essentially filling out its bingo card for different Crimes Against Humanity I want to scream.

            * And most Jews are perfectly aware that a lot of Christians who support the idea of having Israel and having Jews go and live there, actually believe there will be a Book of Revelation end-times apocalypse in which there will be an 'Armageddon' battle there at Megiddo in which most of the Jews will be killed, and thus that these Christians' eagerness to get Jews to go to Israel is stemming from their eagerness to see those Jews die. i.e. the Zionism (the desire to have Israel exist and see Jews go to Israel) of these Christians stems actually from anti-Semitism (wanting bad outcomes for Jews).

            So while I don't have a problem with saying I personally hate almost everything about the project to have a nation-state of Israel for the above reasons, other Jewish people have diverse views, and Trump's absurd and anti-Semitic for painting with a broad brush.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by whag View Post

              Didn’t you post a Western Lensman video? I wouldn’t be spitting about ideological bias at this point:





              Israel's relentless air and ground attacks on Gaza threaten to erase the besieged enclave's small Christian community of about 1,000 people.
              OTHERS

              Nuns comfort a Palestinian woman as she mourns the death of a relative, killed in Israeli airstrikes that hit a church, during a funeral service in Gaza City, Friday, October 20, 2023. / Photo: AP

              Grief and desperation have overtaken Gaza in a season that is usually marked by merriment, as Israel continues its unrelenting attacks on the besieged enclave, where one Palestinian Christian Ibrahim Al Amash summarised the somber situation by saying: “There is no holiday spirit here in Gaza.”

              During the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza, a large number of Christians in the enclave were killed and injured by Israeli airstrikes and direct shooting by the Israeli army.

              Since an October 7 attack by the Palestinian resistance group, Hamas, Israel has pounded Gaza, killing more than 20,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children, and injuring 53,320, according to health authorities in the enclave.

              The Israeli onslaught has left Gaza in ruins with half of the coastal territory's housing stock damaged, or destroyed and nearly 2 million people displaced within the densely populated enclave amid shortages of food and clean water.

              With 20,000+ deaths, Israel wipes out about 1% of Gaza's pre-war population


              Fears of extermination

              “At the beginning of the war, we took refuge in the Church of St. Porphyrius in Gaza City, but the church was targeted by Israeli warplanes which resulted in the killing and injuring of a large number of people,” Amash, 45, told Anadolu.

              “There is no safe place for Christians or Muslims here in Gaza,” he said.

              Amash expressed the “fear of genocide” saying: “There are new massacres every day.”

              “I have lost many relatives and friends to this war,” he said. “I have never witnessed destruction of this magnitude before in my life.”

              “This is the most vicious war I have ever witnessed. I don’t know what to say. There are dead people everywhere,” said Amash.

              He explained that the Christian community is very small in Gaza.

              “In this war, we are threatened with annihilation by Israeli bombing,” he said.

              “As the birthday of Jesus Christ approaches, the hearts of the Christians in Gaza and the rest of Palestine are nowhere around the holiday spirit,” said Amash, stressing that “even if the bombing stops, we will not celebrate, we will only pray for the end of the war, for peace, so that people can return to their homes."

              An Israeli sniper killed a mother and her daughter and injured seven others Saturday in the only Catholic church in Gaza, said the local Latin Catholic Church authority.

              The incident was deplored by Pope Francis, who suggested that Israel was using “terrorism” tactics in Gaza.


              Can you believe he referenced Amalek? Bibi takes his Judaism seriously.


              What ideological bias are you speaking of? Points #1-4 and #6-7 in the video clip can be proven and demonstrated. Granted, points #5 and #9 about redistricting and "single party" rule were a bit speculative, but it certainly makes sense.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Of course this caused much pearl clutching and outrage on the left. I wonder if this is much different than Biden saying to blacks that if you don't vote for me you ain't black.
                Trump shouldn't go there. He should just remind voters about the Abraham Accords and moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Trying to drive a wedge between Jewish American voters and the Democrat Party seems like something that can easily backfire.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                  Trump shouldn't go there. He should just remind voters about the Abraham Accords and moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Trying to drive a wedge between Jewish American voters and the Democrat Party seems like something that can easily backfire.
                  He's too dumb to know how to be a centrist and utilize both sides to his advantage, he's only smart enough to play one side or the other.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seanD View Post


                    What ideological bias are you speaking of? Points #1-4 and #6-7 in the video clip can be proven and demonstrated. Granted, points #5 and #9 about redistricting and "single party" rule were a bit speculative, but it certainly makes sense.
                    I meant your source is ideologically bent. You had criticized the leftist source that published Bibi’s remarks about Amalek, implying its bent was somehow relevant. I don’t understand what’s its leftism has to do with quoting Bibi’s words. Should that have gone unnoticed?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                      He should just remind voters about the Abraham Accords...
                      A lot of commentators seem to think the Abraham Accords were a major cause of the Hamas attack. They were a bit of a nave bull-in-a-china-shop kind of approach that upset delicate balances in the region.

                      Sure, it might be politically advantageous for Trump to brag to his base that the Abraham Accords were Totally Awesome and that he Did Good. Whether they were actually good is another matter.
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                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        Some of the establishment Dems appeared pretty adamant in their support for Israel in the beginning, which was causing quite a bit of friction in the party. It's hard to believe this flip, especially in regard to Schumer who seemed the most adamant in his support, wasn't political in nature, particularly the partitioning that Rashida Tlaib was causing.
                        I think they are really worried about the Muslim vote in Michigan, hence the flip flop...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                          Trump shouldn't go there. He should just remind voters about the Abraham Accords and moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Trying to drive a wedge between Jewish American voters and the Democrat Party seems like something that can easily backfire.
                          No poop! He shouldn't go a lot of places, the the bloodbath thing, but he doesn't listen to me...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            A lot of commentators seem to think the Abraham Accords were a major cause of the Hamas attack. They were a bit of a nave bull-in-a-china-shop kind of approach that upset delicate balances in the region.
                            Illogical. It would be like convicts in a prison revolting because the US and Canada signed a trade agreement.

                            Sure, it might be politically advantageous for Trump to brag to his base that the Abraham Accords were Totally Awesome and that he Did Good. Whether they were actually good is another matter.
                            It wouldn't be bragging to his base. That buys nothing. It would be showing American Jewish voters that he attempted to secure longer-lasting peace for Israel than anything Democrats have been doing.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              Some of the establishment Dems appeared pretty adamant in their support for Israel in the beginning, which was causing quite a bit of friction in the party. It's hard to believe this flip, especially in regard to Schumer who seemed the most adamant in his support, wasn't political in nature, particularly the partitioning that Rashida Tlaib was causing.
                              It seems to have really ramped up after the Michigan primary. The Democrats are afraid that Muslim voters will stay home this election over Israel-Hamas, and after doing a quick calculation they are showing an increased willingness to toss Israel under the bus if it means retaining power.

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