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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Blast him for calling for the protesters to remain peaceful on J6. What was he thinking? smiley fist shake.gif
    That’s exactly what his daughter, his sons, Meadows, and everyone at FOX were wondering: What was he thinking?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

      That's the problem ox.

      You are willing to completely look the other way because the democrats have you terrified of Trump. As long as they keep you focused on HIM, you will let them get away with anything, because, "Trump bad".
      No CD. I can see through the insane rhetoric and falsehoods propagated by MAGA centric media sources. Remember, I monitor multiple media sources form multiple points of view. I don't just listen to one side or the other on any issue.

      A man willing to push for a Supreme Court ruling that ALL presidents are immune from prosecution should be massive red flag. The fact that in his previous term his demand for loyalty to him above the constitution helped him to stack that court so that such a ruling is even possible, even concievable, should raise another.

      The one lost here is you CD. Your hatred of liberal ideology blinds you to what Trump is and what he is doing. The danger it is to all of us, liberal and conservative.

      Ask yourself what sort of danger a man who overtly tried to stop certification of a presidential election by ginning up sufficient anger to generate a riot at the US capitol- of the sort we saw jan 6 - and who now is vying for total immunity for ALL presidents just to save his own skin - presents to this nation.

      This is the sort of person the founding fathers worried. About upending this nation, and they spent untold hours trying to craft a system resilient enough to withstand. But it only works if We The People allow it to. We must recognize the danger and turn from him.

      The GOP put forward many alternatives to him that would have been loyal to the nation and still stood for those things you hold dear. The most significant was Mike Pence who PROVED himself both loyal to the principles of the modern GOP AND our constitution.

      But that is not what the Maga crowd wants. They do not want integrity and loyalty to the principles of this nation. They want a King. A Pop star. And they don't care much about anything else.

      Don't be part of that.
      Last edited by oxmixmudd; 02-29-2024, 11:41 AM.
      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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      • #33
        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

        You.

        Trump is going for a ruling from the Supreme Court that Presidents are immune from prosecution for life no matter what laws they break in office. This is a man who would be dictator if he gets his way and you elect him.
        You don't know what the court will decide.

        Just the fact he would try to obtain such a ruling makes him a traitor to everything this nation stands for, everything the founding fathers worked so hard to prevent.
        OK, so if he lawfully uses the process by addressing the Court he is a traitor? Jim, you really do have a problem....

        No man is above the law.
        You mean like the pass Biden got on the classified documents thing? I agree!


        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #34
          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

          No CD. I can see through the insane rhetoric and falsehoods propagated by MAGA centric media sources. Remember, I monitor multiple media sources form multiple points of view. I don't just listen to one side or the other on any issue.

          A man willing to push for a Supreme Court ruling that ALL presidents are immune from prosecution should be massive red flag. The fact that in his previous term his demand for loyalty to him above the constitution helped him to stack that court so that such a ruling is even possible, even concievable, should raise another.

          The one lost here is you CD. Your hatred of liberal ideology blinds you to what Trump is and what he is doing. The danger it is to all of us, liberal and conservative.

          Ask yourself what sort of danger a man who overtly tried to stop certification of a presidential election by ginning up sufficient anger to generat a riot at the US capitol of the sort we saw jan 6 and who now is vying for total immunity for ALL presidents just to save his own skin presents to thus nation.

          This is the sort of person the founding fathers worried. Oukd upend this nation, and they spent untold hours trying to craft a system resident enough to withstand. But it only works if We The People allow it to. We must recognize the danger and turn from him.

          the gop put forward many alternatives to him that would have been loyal to the nation and still stood for those things you hold dear. The most significant was Mike Pence who PROVED himself both loyal to the principles of the modern GOP AND out constitution.

          But that is nor what the Maga crowd wants. They do not want integrity and loyalty to the principles of this nation. They want a King. A Pop star. And they don't care much about anything else.

          Don't be part of that.
          If you truly believed that what the democrats were doing, you would actually step up against it instead of excusing it. But, your actions speak louder than your words.

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          • #35
            Well this thread has quickly reverted away from the content of the OP article and the issues it raised to individuals berating one another over the US situation.

            Could some of you at least try and look beyond your own frontiers?

            There is a much larger world beyond the USA
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #36
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              You don't know what the court will decide.



              OK, so if he lawfully uses the process by addressing the Court he is a traitor?

              Stacking the court was just complained about by CD, yet clearly you have no problem with it.

              And yes, asking for, pushing for, the right of a president to be immune from prosecution for life belies the fact he is a traitor to the nation itself. No one that loves this nation would even for 5 seconds consider asking for that




              You mean like the pass Biden got on the classified documents thing?
              Biden and Pence, and for reasonsons that Trump simply did not meet. Again, you ignore the severity of what Trump did on that count, and how completely different what he did was compared to the situation with Biden or Pence.

              and that is the NAGA pop star rhetoric and mentality that is driving this nation to the loss of its freedoms.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                Well this thread has quickly reverted away from the content of the OP article and the issues it raised to individuals berating one another over the US situation.

                Could some of you at least try and look beyond your own frontiers?

                There is a much larger world beyond the USA
                Oh no! People derailed H_A's thread and she doesn't like it!

                Jealousy?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                  Oh no! People derailed H_A's thread and she doesn't like it!

                  Jealousy?
                  Given the comments in the article cited in the OP this subject is not confined to the USA. Hence the comments that have so far been made, while in some instances valid, are rather parochial.

                  The rise of nationalism, demagogues, and the scapegoating minorities should be of concern to anyone who values living in a tolerant and liberal society.
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    There is a much larger world beyond the USA
                    But we are the big dog,so...
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      Given the comments in the article cited in the OP this subject is not confined to the USA. Hence the comments that have so far been made, while in some instances valid, are rather parochial.

                      The rise of nationalism, demagogues, and the scapegoating minorities should be of concern to anyone who values living in a tolerant and liberal society.
                      You are correct - excepting that if the US is following this path it Is all the more easy for the rest of the world to follow it. We are no longer the example of what democracy should be. Our people are falling for the same bullocks that other countries are, our leaders have abandoned the basic principles of freedom and democracy and look more like the fools that gave Hitler his rise to power with each passing day.
                      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                        You are correct - excepting that if the US is following this path it Is all the more easy for the rest of the world to follow it. We are no longer the example of what democracy should be. Our people are falling for the same bullocks that other countries are, our leaders have abandoned the basic principles of freedom and democracy and look more like the fools that gave Hitler his rise to power with each passing day.
                        I quite agree and I fully understand the concerns being expressed by yourself and others about what is happening, indeed what has been happening, in the USA for several years now. At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law you did mention Hitler and while the political process and situations in Germany in 1932 and the USA in 2024 are very different the same tactics appear over and over again across Europe and the USA. The desire to return a country a former mythologised greatness, the scapegoating of minorities for society's ills, hostility to migrants, the veiled suggestions to sectors of the society that they are under threat of some kind, a growing appeal for the middle classes, conspiracy theories of one sort and another including a denial of aspects of science. All these and more are all prevalent at present.

                        Our own AfD has been in the news recently over its meeting with neo-Nazis and their discussions concerning remigration. The irony of the month of that meeting was not lost on many, even though it not held at Wannsee.

                        That policy if it ever became law would see migrants forcibly returned to their place of origin, regardless of their citizen status. It would permit the expulsion of asylum seekers and those with residence permits and it would also threaten German citizens with migrant backgrounds if they did not "adapt to the majority society". We can recognise at once what groups that is targeting.

                        It all reads as horribly familiar.

                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by seer View Post

                          But we are the big dog,so...
                          There are also other very big dogs around so there may be a dog fight.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            There are also other very big dogs around so there may be a dog fight.
                            The history of mankind...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by seer View Post

                              The history of mankind...
                              Not at the level it might become given the contents of the arsenals at the disposal of nation states today.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                Not at the level it might become given the contents of the arsenals at the disposal of nation states today.
                                Right, we are going to destroy ourselves - it is only a matter of when. Did you have the unfounded hope that it wouldn't happen?
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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