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  • #31
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    Purely for information.

    From The Atlantic and written in 2020 by the Wohlford Professor of American Political Institutions at Claremont McKenna .

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ocracy/616949/

    Dependent on a minority of the population to hold national power, Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee of Utah have taken to reminding the public that “we’re not a democracy.” It is quaint that so many Republicans, embracing a president who routinely tramples constitutional norms ...
    Hyperbole. Not terribly interested in the rest of this commentary after that.

    There is also this site:

    [box]https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

    Is the United States a democracy?

    Yes, the United States is a democracy, since we, the people, hold the ultimate political power. We’re not a “direct democracy,” but we are a “representative democracy.”
    Semantics. Democracy in general, republic in specifics.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      You mistyped "devolved".
      I intended what I wrote. The "democracy" of the USA in 1800 is not what it is today.

      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post


      Look at the overall context of how our government was designed to operate.
      Based to some extent on that of republican Rome. Those who created it were educated men of the Enlightenment

      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

        Hyperbole. Not terribly interested in the rest of this commentary after that.
        You should not let your biases rule you! And many consider Trump did precisely that.

        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

        Semantics. Democracy in general, republic in specifics.
        As the final line in that second citation notes the USA is "both a democracy and a republic." Although I sometimes wonder if it is really one nation.

        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          You should not let your biases rule you! And many consider Trump did precisely that.
          I don't care what people may "consider." A statement like that requires examples - and there are none.

          As the final line in that second citation notes the USA is "both a democracy and a republic." Although I sometimes wonder if it is really one nation.
          Both in general and then in specifics. OK.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
            I intended what I wrote. The "democracy" of the USA in 1800 is not what it is today.
            Yes, ma'am - it has devolved.

            Based to some extent on that of republican Rome. Those who created it were educated men of the Enlightenment
            Except that quite a number of them were "enlightened" by the Creator.

            george-washington.jpgContinental-Congress-Prayer_-1024x514.jpg



            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              I don't care what people may "consider." A statement like that requires examples - and there are none.
              According to you.





              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                According to you.
                I'm happy to hear them.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  Ah but which religion will bring it about?
                  Ugh. You’re using the winky smiley again. Icky.


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    This nonsense about "suddenly found their voice" is... well... nonsense!

                    I have been saying for DECADES that we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy, regardless of who is in power in DC.
                    And a Constitutional Republic differs from a representative democracy or constitutional democracy how?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post

                      And a Constitutional Republic differs from a representative democracy or constitutional democracy how?
                      Did you hear that whooshing sound as the point flew right over your head?
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Yes, ma'am - it has devolved.



                        Except that quite a number of them were "enlightened" by the Creator.

                        george-washington.jpgContinental-Congress-Prayer_-1024x514.jpg


                        I suppose you do know that the painting of Washington kneeling and praying in Valley Forge is a later invention?
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          I suppose you do know that the painting of Washington kneeling and praying in Valley Forge is a later invention?
                          You would claim he was not a man of prayer?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                            It's mostly just semantics anyway. The colloquial use of "democracy" means "representative government" in most peoples' minds. It's only when a debate gets into the weeds that it needs the greater definition. IMO
                            That, I believe, is a large part of the present problem. We have made them nearly synonymous when they stand for two different things. This is a significant portion of the reason that so many folks are now confused about popular vote, electoral colleges, and even freedom of speech.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              Did you hear that whooshing sound as the point flew right over your head?
                              The point is there is no difference. This country has never been a direct democracy, but it is a Constitutional and Representative Democracy, which is no different than a Constitutional Republic. You Republicans simply don't like the fact that within the guidelines of the Constitution, the majority does rule. What you would like is for you, the minority to lord it over the majority which is the very thing you claim to be against.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                The point is there is no difference.
                                No, the point is that we do NOT have a democracy in the sense that "majority rules". MAJOR difference.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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