Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

Another UK Anti-Free Speech Conviction

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Another UK Anti-Free Speech Conviction

    First, Sam and Roy are barred from the thread.

    Pastor convicted for holding Psalm 139 sign near abortion clinic in UK


    Stephen Green was prosecuted by the Ealing Council after he held the sign outside an abortion clinic run by MSI Reproductive Choices, formerly Marie Stopes.

    The sign carried the words "Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb."

    The abortion clinic is subject to a Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) that bans any "act of disapproval" of abortion, including praying and reading from the Bible, within the parameters of the buffer zone.

    He was found guilty of breaching the PSPO at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court in west London on Friday.



    Not only can people the UK not pray silently at abortion clinics, they cannot simply hold signs. It seems the Left has no problem treading on freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of peaceful assembly. The West has surely fallen.
    P1) If , then I win.

    P2)

    C) I win.

  • #2
    Another UK Anti-Free Speech Conviction


    First, Sam and Roy are barred from the thread


    There is a bit of irony there.

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
      ...The abortion clinic is subject to a Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) that bans any "act of disapproval" of abortion, including praying and reading from the Bible, within the parameters of the buffer zone...
      Buffer zones a set distance around abortion clinics have been fairly common rules in most English-speaking countries, including the US and Canada. This is new to the UK (and passed by their conservative-majority government), but not new in a Western context.

      The idea is to balance the freedoms of the individuals who want to access the clinics (and workers), with the rights of people to protest. So the middle ground is that yes they can protest, but not right up close and personal.

      The West has surely fallen.
      Whereas your Eastern Europe is a shining example to all of us?
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        Another UK Anti-Free Speech Conviction


        First, Sam and Roy are barred from the thread


        There is a bit of irony there.
        I am not the State. Sam because I have him blocked. Roy because he refuses to detail his position on abortion so that it can be discussed. Should Roy avail himself to the thread I opened in the Philosophy section, I would be more than happy to lift the ban.
        P1) If , then I win.

        P2)

        C) I win.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Buffer zones a set distance around abortion clinics have been fairly common rules in most English-speaking countries, including the US and Canada. This is new to the UK (and passed by their conservative-majority government), but not new in a Western context.

          That anti-free speech zones exist elsewhere in a fallen West rings very much of "well everybody else is doing it". I don't expect Western governments to protect speech with which they disagree.

          The idea is to balance the freedoms of the individuals who want to access the clinics (and workers), with the rights of people to protest. So the middle ground is that yes they can protest, but not right up close and personal.
          A single person holding a sign hardly blocks access to clinics. As long as they are across the street and not blocking access, your criterion of balance is met. I would even agree with prohibiting assembly directly in front the doors of a clinic which blocked access for the very reason of balance, but thats not the case here.

          Whereas your Eastern Europe is a shining example to all of us?
          It's nearly 3 am in Budapest and nearly 5 am in Moscow.
          P1) If , then I win.

          P2)

          C) I win.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
            First, Sam and Roy are barred from the thread.
            .......all part of your 'free speech' beliefs?


            [BOX]Stephen Green was prosecuted by the Ealing Council after he held the sign outside an abortion clinic run by MSI Reproductive Choices, formerly Marie Stopes.
            No.
            Stephen got nicked for entering a PSPO area without lawful reason..... He can't live there or work there or be visiting a neighbour or be working on services around there, obviously.

            I couldn't hang around outside there and nor could you.


            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by eider View Post
              .......all part of your 'free speech' beliefs?



              No.
              Stephen got nicked for entering a PSPO area without lawful reason..... He can't live there or work there or be visiting a neighbour or be working on services around there, obviously.

              I couldn't hang around outside there and nor could you.

              Green is a particularly nasty piece of work.

              I recall reading about his campaign to get Jerry Springer the Opera banned. So much for free speech.

              The BBC did a short documentary following him in that campaign and outside a theatre in, if I recall, Brighton, a seagull emptied its bowels on to him which prompted some laughter from the surrounding small crowd.

              He was extremely angry and stormed off to clean himself while ordering the crew to stop filming!.

              Some more on our Christian pastor from 2015

              https://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-10039270.html

              Stephen Fry and Benedict Cumberbatch have met with sarcastic opposition to their Alan Turing campaign.

              Stephen Green spoke out against the campaign to pardon the 49,000 gay men prosecuted by the British government for their sexuality. Green is National Director of group Christian Voice and believes, among other things, that gay people with HIV who have sex should be executed.

              In his video, he argues against the campaign by using heavy-handed sarcasm. Green describes Fry as "a practising homosexual" and remarks that "his entourage now includes wifey, little Elliott Spencer". Spencer became Fry's husband last month.

              Cumberbatch and Fry put their names to the petition to clear the names of the thousands of men convicted for the crime of being gay, as Enigma codebreaker Turing was in 2013. Fry has also announced a campaign to get Turing on the 10 note.

              Right-wing Green dismisses the petition, implying that it's an ignorant campaign. "It follows that if something is not against the law now, well, it never should have been. So all the men convicted of doing indecent, unsanitary, unhealthy, abusive and downright dangerous things on other men should obviously be pardoned."

              The video, which is filmed in a park then cuts to a scene of a wooded area. "Now a lot of homosexual activity takes place with strangers in public toilets or in open spaces, like this picnic area."

              Green, warming to his theme, continues: "On reflection, perhaps a pardon is not enough. If Stephen Fry and Mr Cumberbatch had had their wits about them, they could have been demanding for the men convicted British Empire medals for services to cottaging and cruising."

              Tackling Fry's now-famous moral problem with God allowing bad things to happen, Green described him as "ignorant".

              "Stephen Fry launched into a theologically ignorant tirade against God, asking how the almighty dare create every evil and every disease under the sun," Green said. "I suppose the almighty also created the iceberg that sunk the Titanic and you can't get any more evil than that."

              Green has long been a controversial figure. He has previously argued that it is impossible for a husband to rape his wife, has described gay adoption as the Government "worshipping at the altar of diversity" and even managed to get vaguely riled over secular Christmas cards.

              In 2011 his former wife Caroline Green accused him of domestic violence, but Green strenuously denied the allegations, calling them "a catalogue of smears and distortions". They are now divorced.


              What a charming fellow and such a role model for the modern Christian man with allegations made by his ex wife of domestic violence and his denial that marital rape exists. Likely he raped his wife!

              Calling Fry ignorant is hilarious. Whatever one might think of Stephen Fry, ignorant he is not.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by eider View Post
                .......all part of your 'free speech' beliefs?



                No.
                Stephen got nicked for entering a PSPO area without lawful reason..... He can't live there or work there or be visiting a neighbour or be working on services around there, obviously.

                I couldn't hang around outside there and nor could you.

                So, you are saying he wasn't arrested for his speech, he was arrested for doing banned activity within an area that was designated as a you can't do this area, where the banned activity just happened to be speech?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by eider View Post
                  .......all part of your 'free speech' beliefs?
                  As I said to Ron, I am not the State. If I wanted no detractors, I could have barred you foreseeing your denial of the facts as you did with the other individual accosted by police for silently praying.


                  No.
                  Stephen got nicked for entering a PSPO area without lawful reason..... He can't live there or work there or be visiting a neighbour or be working on services around there, obviously.

                  I couldn't hang around outside there and nor could you.

                  I expected as much that you will deny the fact he was arrested for speech and peaceful assembly because he opposed abortion.

                  P1) If , then I win.

                  P2)

                  C) I win.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Hypatia_Alexandria, either stay on the topic of the free speech conviction or leave please.
                    P1) If , then I win.

                    P2)

                    C) I win.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                      Hypatia_Alexandria, either stay on the topic of the free speech conviction or leave please.
                      The topic concerns the actions of Stephen Green - a less than admirable individual in his personal views, and possibly in his private life, and who ran a campaign to close down a theatrical event.

                      For Green the concept of free speech only applies to anything of which he approves. With regard to your question to me in another thread, he is a very good example of one of those Christians that I described.
                      Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 02-06-2024, 07:27 AM.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        The topic concerns the actions of Stephen Green - a less than admirable individual in his personal views, and possible private life, and and who ran a campaign to close down a theatrical event.

                        For Green the concept of free speech only applies to anything of which he approves. With regard to your question to me in another thread, he is a very good example of one of those Christians that I described.
                        The topic of this thread, unless you wish to argue death of the author, concerns the arrest and conviction of Stephen Green for speech and peaceful assembly. If you want to comment on his other actions, start your own thread.
                        P1) If , then I win.

                        P2)

                        C) I win.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          The topic concerns the actions of Stephen Green - a less than admirable individual in his personal views, and possibly in his private life, and who ran a campaign to close down a theatrical event.

                          For Green the concept of free speech only applies to anything of which he approves. With regard to your question to me in another thread, he is a very good example of one of those Christians that I described.
                          Does him being a "less than admirable individual" mean he shouldn't be able to exercise his rights?

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                            Does him being a "less than admirable individual" mean he shouldn't be able to exercise his rights?
                            He ran a campaign to prevent others from exercising theirs.
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                              He ran a campaign to prevent others from exercising theirs.
                              And? Does him being a hypocrite rob him of his legal ability to exercise his rights?

                              Comment

                              Related Threads

                              Collapse

                              Topics Statistics Last Post
                              Started by Cow Poke, Today, 11:39 AM
                              10 responses
                              24 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post rogue06
                              by rogue06
                               
                              Started by Juvenal, Today, 10:50 AM
                              7 responses
                              40 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Juvenal
                              by Juvenal
                               
                              Started by eider, Today, 03:45 AM
                              40 responses
                              154 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Hypatia_Alexandria  
                              Started by Cow Poke, Yesterday, 08:26 AM
                              18 responses
                              144 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post whag
                              by whag
                               
                              Started by Cow Poke, Yesterday, 07:51 AM
                              3 responses
                              29 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Cow Poke  
                              Working...
                              X