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    World leaders again accused of hypocrisy for taking jets to global climate change summit

    U.N. Secretary General Antonio Gutterres said at this year's climate summit in Dubai that “humanity’s fate is hanging in the balance.”

    Green energy hypocrisy appeared to be on full display again at the annual United Nations global climate-change summit, as the private jets of world leaders landed in Dubai with hefty carbon footprints.

    At this year's event, called COP28, Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, Foreign Secretary David Cameron and King Charles III each took a separate private jet flights to the conference.

    Among the sharpest critics was Wyoming GOP Sen. John Barrasso, whose letter-writing campaign asked why this year’s attendees couldn’t hold their conference via Zoom.

    The amount of carbon dioxide – considered a major contributor to global warming – that the three British jets emitted appeared further underscored by U.N. Secretary General Antonio Gutterres saying at COP28 that “humanity’s fate is hanging in the balance.”

    A private plane paasenger emits 10 to 20 times as much carbon pollution as a commercial airline passenger, according to Transport & Environment, a European clean-transport group.

    Josh Hammer, Newsweek editor at large and host of “The Josh Hammer Show,” told Just The News that it’s a tendency for climate crusaders to feel themselves high above the people they want to impose rules upon.

    "The galling hypocrisy can be rather easily explained by understanding that men such as Al Gore and [U.S. climate envoy] John Kerry simply do not think the rules apply to them. To the 'limousine liberal' mind, it is entirely consistent to preach to the plebeians one thing and to actually do something yourself entirely inconsistent with it,” Hammer said.

    Even some prominent climate activists have started to become critics of the hypocrisy on display at the climate conferences. Swedish climate celebrity Greta Thunberg didn’t attend this year’s event, and she skipped out on last year’s as well.

    “The COPs are mainly used as an opportunity for leaders and people in power to get attention, using many different kinds of greenwashing,” Thunberg said of COP27, last year's climate summit.

    In the lead-up to COP27, Greenpeace and Extinction Rebellion held protests around private jets in Amsterdam.

    In addition to private jets, climate activists have also been vandalizing yachts and golf courses used by the ultra wealthy, who are also some of the biggest funders of climate nonprofits.

    Michael Bloomberg, through his Bloomberg Philanthropies, committed $1 billion so far to his Beyond Carbon campaign, which aims to “shut down every last U.S. coal plant” and “accelerate the energy transition.”

    Yet, the former U.S. climate envoy prefers the comfort of his private jet over commercial air travel.

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    World leaders again accused of hypocrisy for taking jets to global climate change summit

    U.N. Secretary General Antonio Gutterres said at this year's climate summit in Dubai that “humanity’s fate is hanging in the balance.”

    Green energy hypocrisy appeared to be on full display again at the annual United Nations global climate-change summit, as the private jets of world leaders landed in Dubai with hefty carbon footprints.

    At this year's event, called COP28, Britain's Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, Foreign Secretary David Cameron and King Charles III each took a separate private jet flights to the conference.

    Among the sharpest critics was Wyoming GOP Sen. John Barrasso, whose letter-writing campaign asked why this year’s attendees couldn’t hold their conference via Zoom.

    The amount of carbon dioxide – considered a major contributor to global warming – that the three British jets emitted appeared further underscored by U.N. Secretary General Antonio Gutterres saying at COP28 that “humanity’s fate is hanging in the balance.”

    A private plane paasenger emits 10 to 20 times as much carbon pollution as a commercial airline passenger, according to Transport & Environment, a European clean-transport group.

    Josh Hammer, Newsweek editor at large and host of “The Josh Hammer Show,” told Just The News that it’s a tendency for climate crusaders to feel themselves high above the people they want to impose rules upon.

    "The galling hypocrisy can be rather easily explained by understanding that men such as Al Gore and [U.S. climate envoy] John Kerry simply do not think the rules apply to them. To the 'limousine liberal' mind, it is entirely consistent to preach to the plebeians one thing and to actually do something yourself entirely inconsistent with it,” Hammer said.

    Even some prominent climate activists have started to become critics of the hypocrisy on display at the climate conferences. Swedish climate celebrity Greta Thunberg didn’t attend this year’s event, and she skipped out on last year’s as well.

    “The COPs are mainly used as an opportunity for leaders and people in power to get attention, using many different kinds of greenwashing,” Thunberg said of COP27, last year's climate summit.

    In the lead-up to COP27, Greenpeace and Extinction Rebellion held protests around private jets in Amsterdam.

    In addition to private jets, climate activists have also been vandalizing yachts and golf courses used by the ultra wealthy, who are also some of the biggest funders of climate nonprofits.

    Michael Bloomberg, through his Bloomberg Philanthropies, committed $1 billion so far to his Beyond Carbon campaign, which aims to “shut down every last U.S. coal plant” and “accelerate the energy transition.”

    Yet, the former U.S. climate envoy prefers the comfort of his private jet over commercial air travel.
    Their callousness and hypocrisy only hurts their cause. "Rules for thee but ... not for us!"

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    • #3
      In general I think banning private jets would be a good move.

      The exception I would perhaps want to leave open would be for leaders of countries. Generally speaking they would need to book an entire plane anyway to fit their advisors and various other government officials they're travelling with, and for simple security reasons it's probably much easier that they have their own plane, rather than trying to use a commercial jet. So world leaders travelling to this conference by private jet seems fine to me.

      It also makes sense to me to have the conference in person rather than by zoom. In person there will be endless ad hoc meetings of leaders just chatting randomly, and often that can accomplish as much or more useful stuff than formally scheduled meetings.

      As far as the 'hypocrisy' goes the carbon emissions of this one conference would be so infinitesimal compared to the scope of the reductions being discussed, that it's not remotely worth comparing them or even bringing up hypocrisy. It's like complaining that a person who ran all the trash collection services in the US once littered one single piece of trash... the amount of trash they littered is so many orders of magnitude less than the amount of trash their collection services removed that comparing the two gets a bit silly.

      A more problematic part of this conference is the fact that the host is using it to try to sell their own oil, and seems to have brought in oil industry lobbyists to help them do so.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

        Their callousness and hypocrisy only hurts their cause. "Rules for thee but ... not for us!"
        And the Climate Alarmists wonder why we don't take them seriously.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
          Their callousness and hypocrisy only hurts their cause. "Rules for thee but ... not for us!"
          What rules? You guys always seem to want to pretend you're somehow being deeply oppressed by those wanting to stop climate change. As far as I can see, that's entirely in your fantasies. Someone else building some solar panels isn't oppression of you. And there's not any need for you to vehemently oppose it. Get over yourselves.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            In general I think banning private jets would be a good move.

            The exception I would perhaps want to leave open would be for leaders of countries....
            But we can think of other legitimate exceptions - like medical emergency - flying a heart or lung or liver to another part of the country (or world) for transplant...

            Or Evangelical Preachers who need to get the Gospel somewhere super quick.... (OK, I'm being facetious there )

            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              And the Climate Alarmists wonder why we don't take them seriously.
              They're the "select group" with "extraterrestrial" plans to save the planet according to the words of John Kerry, so they're obviously justified to travel in luxury and have much higher carbon footprints than us peons.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seanD View Post

                They're the "select group" with "extraterrestrial" plans to save the planet according to the words of John Kerry, so they're obviously justified to travel in luxury and have much higher carbon footprints than us peons.
                My company used to fly me on a private jet on occasion - and the highlight of the flight was the freshly baked onboard chocolate chip cookies!!!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  What rules? You guys always seem to want to pretend you're somehow being deeply oppressed by those wanting to stop climate change. As far as I can see, that's entirely in your fantasies. Someone else building some solar panels isn't oppression of you. And there's not any need for you to vehemently oppose it. Get over yourselves.
                  Oh? You don't think they are striving for regulations? They just get together to talk about voluntary compliance to whatever they are dreaming up on their private jets? I think you need to get over yourself.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    In general I think banning private jets would be a good move.

                    The exception I would perhaps want to leave open would be for leaders of countries. Generally speaking they would need to book an entire plane anyway to fit their advisors and various other government officials they're travelling with, and for simple security reasons it's probably much easier that they have their own plane, rather than trying to use a commercial jet. So world leaders travelling to this conference by private jet seems fine to me.

                    It also makes sense to me to have the conference in person rather than by zoom. In person there will be endless ad hoc meetings of leaders just chatting randomly, and often that can accomplish as much or more useful stuff than formally scheduled meetings.

                    As far as the 'hypocrisy' goes the carbon emissions of this one conference would be so infinitesimal compared to the scope of the reductions being discussed, that it's not remotely worth comparing them or even bringing up hypocrisy. It's like complaining that a person who ran all the trash collection services in the US once littered one single piece of trash... the amount of trash they littered is so many orders of magnitude less than the amount of trash their collection services removed that comparing the two gets a bit silly.

                    A more problematic part of this conference is the fact that the host is using it to try to sell their own oil, and seems to have brought in oil industry lobbyists to help them do so.
                    The problem is one of blatant rules for thee but not for me hypocrisy. Like politicians who enacted strict rules against going out maskless and gathering in large groups during the pandemic and were repeatedly caught over and over violating those same laws.

                    Tell me, which do you think was more likely on the menu for these VIPs? Stuff like champagne, caviar, lobster and filet mignon or assorted bugs and tap water?

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                      Oh? You don't think they are striving for regulations? They just get together to talk about voluntary compliance to whatever they are dreaming up on their private jets? I think you need to get over yourself.

                      It’s time to limit how often we can travel abroad – ‘carbon passports’ may be the answer

                      That'll go over real well with the serfs.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post
                        I was just reading some of the "agenda" from their 2022 summit, and their talk about the "burden" that the EU must shoulder to reach their Climate Change goals. These people are elitist regulators that want control. Sure, they can't make executive decisions themselves, but they hope to return to their home countries with a consensus on mandates for the little people.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                          Oh? You don't think they are striving for regulations?
                          No, they are not.

                          They just get together to talk about voluntary compliance to whatever they are dreaming up on their private jets?
                          Since they don't talk about regulations, the question of whether compliance would be voluntary or not in these imaginary regulations they aren't talking about isn't relevant.

                          They aren't plotting how to make your life miserable Mr Self-Centred Victim.

                          Usually the process at these conference is:
                          - Leaders of attending countries make some generic vague pinky-swears that their country will Totally emit less climate gases in the future. Almost nothing about how they will do that is ever discussed at those meetings: It is entirely left up to every country to make it happen however it pleases.
                          - The leaders go back home and task their advisors with coming up with some ideas as to how their country could emit less climate gases. It's at this point that regulations could be dreamed up.
                          - Their advisors come up with a bunch of stuff, the politicians look over the list and put a line through most of the ideas because they feel it would cost too much money or annoy a voter somewhere.
                          - What's left on the list are things like "spend an insignificant amount of money to build a few solar panels and plant a few trees", so they do that.
                          - The cycle above repeats, when they attend a new conference on the subject the following year, and once again tell each other how they will Totally reduce emissions in the following year.

                          - Meanwhile conservatives cry at the deep oppression they are experiencing in their imaginations.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            The problem is one of blatant rules for thee but not for me hypocrisy.
                            You guys seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with hypocrisy claims.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                              I was just reading some of the "agenda" from their 2022 summit, and their talk about the "burden" that the EU must shoulder to reach their Climate Change goals. These people are elitist regulators that want control. Sure, they can't make executive decisions themselves, but they hope to return to their home countries with a consensus on mandates for the little people.
                              Are you high? That's completely nutbar stuff.

                              Climate change hurts the little people. That's why there's general concern around it.

                              Rich people can move. Rich companies can move. People with private jets can fly somewhere nice. It's not to any of their benefits to care about climate change or do anything about it.

                              It's the little people who are going to be hurt by climate change. It's the ones who when their house is flooded or hit by a wildfire lose their possessions and don't have insurance. It's the ones who have a family farm that barely makes ends meet and when climate change makes that that farm less productive, they won't have an income anymore or property with any value. It's the ones who live next to the ocean and see their property value drop to zero and then physically disappear as the sea level rises.

                              Most of the world is those little people, and they're the ones who will be hurt by climate change, not the rich. That's why liberals care about climate change because they care about those little people. It's why conservatives come across as evil psychos on this issue, because you guys keep insisting we should do nothing to protect or help all the little people who are going to be impacted by this.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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