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    Cosmopolitan has a charming little article on an abortion clinic run by the Satanic Temple. In the clinic, the client uses a mirror to bring her focus entirely on herself, proclaims that her will is to be done, takes an abortifacient, and ends by proclaiming, "By my body, my blood; by my will, it is done."

    I appreciate their saying the quiet part out loud; elective abortions are, after all, a wholly selfish act.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Cosmopolitan has a charming little article on an abortion clinic run by the Satanic Temple. In the clinic, the client uses a mirror to bring her focus entirely on herself, proclaims that her will is to be done, takes an abortifacient, and ends by proclaiming, "By my body, my blood; by my will, it is done."

    I appreciate their saying the quiet part out loud; elective abortions are, after all, a wholly selfish act.
    All about what you want with absolutely no consideration for other factors.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #3
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post

      I appreciate their saying the quiet part out loud; elective abortions are, after all, a wholly selfish act.
      Yep...
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Do you guys get that they don't actually believe the religious content or statements they are making to pretend a religion, and that it's a troll project in order to try to open abortion clinics in anti-abortion states using the religious-expression-protection laws?

        Christians in the US seem to have pushed so vigorously for religious-protection laws that they may have shot themselves in the foot: Now anyone claiming to be religious can potentially do things in the name of that alleged religion that would otherwise be illegal in that state (e.g. abortion) and be protected by the religious-protection laws.

        Courts in the past have shied away from trying to determine if someone is a True BelieverTM in their professed religion, so this sort of laughable pretence at holding a fake religion has tended to be enough to get the "Satanists" across the legal line of enjoying legal protections of their "religion".

        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        I appreciate their saying the quiet part out loud; elective abortions are, after all, a wholly selfish act.
        I feel like your credulous assumption that they believe the "religious" statements they are making as part of their trolling, means you've missed the point of their trolling.
        Last edited by Starlight; 12-04-2023, 04:36 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Do you guys get that they don't actually believe the religious content or statements they are making to pretend a religion, and that it's a troll project in order to try to open abortion clinics in anti-abortion states using the religious-expression-protection laws?

          Christians in the US seem to have pushed so vigorously for religious-protection laws that they may have shot themselves in the foot: Now anyone claiming to be religious can potentially do things in the name of that alleged religion that would otherwise be illegal in that state (e.g. abortion) and be protected by the religious-protection laws.

          Courts in the past have shied away from trying to determine if someone is a True BelieverTM in their professed religion, so this sort of laughable pretence at holding a fake religion has tended to be enough to get the "Satanists" across the legal line of enjoying legal protections of their "religion".

          I feel like your credulous assumption that they believe the "religious" statements they are making as part of their trolling, means you've missed the point of their trolling.
          Nobody is saying they actually believe they are worshiping Satan (they are though in ignorance). The point OBP made was that they openly admit that abortions are a selfish act, something other liberals try to hide behind euphemisms like "Women's Healthcare" and "Choice" and "Family Planning"


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            Do you guys get that they don't actually believe the religious content or statements they are making to pretend a religion, and that it's a troll project in order to try to open abortion clinics in anti-abortion states using the religious-expression-protection laws?

            Christians in the US seem to have pushed so vigorously for religious-protection laws that they may have shot themselves in the foot: Now anyone claiming to be religious can potentially do things in the name of that alleged religion that would otherwise be illegal in that state (e.g. abortion) and be protected by the religious-protection laws.

            Courts in the past have shied away from trying to determine if someone is a True BelieverTM in their professed religion, so this sort of laughable pretence at holding a fake religion has tended to be enough to get the "Satanists" across the legal line of enjoying legal protections of their "religion".

            I feel like your credulous assumption that they believe the "religious" statements they are making as part of their trolling, means you've missed the point of their trolling.
            Sounds like they want to mask their desire to kill babies as some sort of religious act.

            Sacrificing babies to Satan is far closer to the truth than they may care to believe.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Sacrificing babies to Satan is far closer to the truth than they may care to believe.
              Sacrificing to Molech has never really gone out of style....
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                Do you guys get that they don't actually believe the religious content or statements they are making to pretend a religion, and that it's a troll project in order to try to open abortion clinics in anti-abortion states using the religious-expression-protection laws?

                Christians in the US seem to have pushed so vigorously for religious-protection laws that they may have shot themselves in the foot: Now anyone claiming to be religious can potentially do things in the name of that alleged religion that would otherwise be illegal in that state (e.g. abortion) and be protected by the religious-protection laws.

                Courts in the past have shied away from trying to determine if someone is a True BelieverTM in their professed religion, so this sort of laughable pretence at holding a fake religion has tended to be enough to get the "Satanists" across the legal line of enjoying legal protections of their "religion".

                I feel like your credulous assumption that they believe the "religious" statements they are making as part of their trolling, means you've missed the point of their trolling.
                No, a person in the United States can not arbitrarily claim religious immunity for an illegal act.

                Seriously, where are you getting this nonsense from?
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                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  No, a person in the United States can not arbitrarily claim religious immunity for an illegal act.

                  Seriously, where are you getting this nonsense from?
                  Likely the same place he got the idea that it is illegal for a CEO not to make a profit and that Africans didn't get Covid because they don't live or work indoors.

                  As I recently noted...


                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  It's what happens when one cherry picks their sources and information rather than seeking out both sides if for no other reason than to see what the side you disagree with is actually saying and not just what their opponents claim they are saying.

                  It's why I regularly read the NYT and WaPo and watch MSNBC.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                    Likely the same place he got the idea that it is illegal for a CEO not to make a profit and that Africans didn't get Covid because they don't live or work indoors.

                    As I recently noted...


                    I don't know if it's a matter of cherry picking his sources as I can't imagine that even a liberal news outlet would make the absurd claim that people can break the law with impunity and then claim a religious exemption. It seems he is being blatantly misinformed by someone but is so ignorant of how things are in the United States that he doesn't realize it.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                      I don't know if it's a matter of cherry picking his sources as I can't imagine that even a liberal news outlet would make the absurd claim that people can break the law with impunity and then claim a religious exemption. It seems he is being blatantly misinformed by someone but is so ignorant of how things are in the United States that he doesn't realize it.
                      Yeah pretty sure claiming Abortion is a religious rite is not going to go over too well.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        No, a person in the United States can not arbitrarily claim religious immunity for an illegal act.

                        Seriously, where are you getting this nonsense from?
                        That is, in fact, the nature of RFRA laws. The burden is placed on the government, not the individual, to prove that a law conflicting with that person's "sincere religious belief" (and it is almost wholly out of the government's discretion as to what counts as sincere) both has a compelling purpose and is accomplished in the "least restrictive" manner. See: Hobby Lobby v. Sebelieus, where the the contraception mandate was invalidated for a whole set of companies on the grounds that it violated the federal RFRA.

                        -Sam
                        "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sam View Post

                          That is, in fact, the nature of RFRA laws. The burden is placed on the government, not the individual, to prove that a law conflicting with that person's "sincere religious belief" (and it is almost wholly out of the government's discretion as to what counts as sincere) both has a compelling purpose and is accomplished in the "least restrictive" manner. See: Hobby Lobby v. Sebelieus, where the the contraception mandate was invalidated for a whole set of companies on the grounds that it violated the federal RFRA.

                          -Sam
                          Note the word "arbitrary" in my post. Hobby Lobby's claim was not arbitrary but was premised on well established Christian belief, theology, and tradition.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            Note the word "arbitrary" in my post. Hobby Lobby's claim was not arbitrary but was premised on well established Christian belief, theology, and tradition.
                            No, it wasn't: the Green family premised their opposition on the false notion that some of the listed contraceptives were actually abortifacients.

                            But it didn't and doesn't matter: the government doesn't have to prove that a belief is non-factual, it would have to prove a belief is insincere and the bar for a government ruling which religious beliefs are sincere or insincere is very, very high.

                            Who cares, in other words, whether you think someone is insincere in their stated beliefs. Unless you can conclusively prove otherwise, the RFRA is the applicable standard.

                            -Sam
                            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sam View Post

                              No, it wasn't: the Green family premised their opposition on the false notion that some of the listed contraceptives were actually abortifacients.

                              But it didn't and doesn't matter: the government doesn't have to prove that a belief is non-factual, it would have to prove a belief is insincere and the bar for a government ruling which religious beliefs are sincere or insincere is very, very high.

                              Who cares, in other words, whether you think someone is insincere in their stated beliefs. Unless you can conclusively prove otherwise, the RFRA is the applicable standard.

                              -Sam
                              Yes, they believed that certain contraceptives induced abortion which is contrary to well established Christian beliefs.

                              On the other hand, if they claimed they were a member of the Jedi religion and opposed the contraceptives because it was against the will of the Force, then they would have lost. Similarly, anybody claiming satanism as their religion who then breaks pro-life laws by claiming that such laws are against their religious beliefs would also lose.

                              And so it comes back to, no, a person in the United States can not arbitrarily claim religious immunity for an illegal act.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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