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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    PBS is the one establishing that.



    Can you elaborate on that last sentence?
    Future protection against a virus after infection or inoculation depends on the body's response: with COVID, the immune system learns to recognize the spike protein and white blood cells retain a "memory" of the virus. But if a person's immunological response isn't strong enough, that "memory" isn't established and the infected/inoculated person doesn't get the benefit of future protection.

    Though I think there's a discrepancy here: neither the Pfizer nor moderna vaccines were available in mid-2020 under EUA — both, by memory, were available in late November/early December to specific groups and were made generally available in April/May 2021. I'd also ask, for this case, whether you received both vaccine "doses", as a single vaccine dose for the first inoculation was much less effective than the full schedule (~30% efficacy vs. ~90% for Pfizer, if I remember right).

    -Sam
    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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    • #47
      This is also why immunologically-compromised people have to get COVID vaccinations more frequently and still don't have the same level of protection, for what it's worth — their immune systems don't "take" the vaccine the same way as others and their level of protection wanes faster than it does for the general population.

      -Sam
      "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        My daughter tested positive for the China flu shortly after the "official" start of the pandemic. She had a mild fever for a day and was perfectly fine the next. Rest of the family tested negative. Nobody else has tested positive since. No flu like symptoms. Nobody vaccinated. No extreme measures like constantly wearing masks in public, or avoiding social gatherings. Everything about the dangers of the China flu to the general population were greatly exaggerated by fearmongers like Fauci the Fraud.
        Thousands of people in USA alone were dying per day at many points of the pandemic and hospital ICUs were consistently filled past 80%. Many cities required the use of mobile morgue trucks.

        Just stupid revisionism, this.

        -Sam
        "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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        • #49
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          ...I know people like to knitpick here...
          It's "nitpick". Which I never do.



          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sam View Post

            Thousands of people in USA alone were dying per day at many points of the pandemic and hospital ICUs were consistently filled past 80%. Many cities required the use of mobile morgue trucks.

            Just stupid revisionism, this.

            -Sam
            Yeah, I remember those amazing invisible mobile morgue trucks, as they were quite prominent at our Houston hospitals.
            Multiple trips to MD Anderson for my wife's cancer follow-up during the pandemic, but I didn't have my "see invisible stuff" glasses, so....
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Yeah, I remember those amazing invisible mobile morgue trucks, as they were quite prominent at our Houston hospitals.
              Multiple trips to MD Anderson for my wife's cancer follow-up during the pandemic, but I didn't have my "see invisible stuff" glasses, so....
              Texas is a big place but the thing about the printing press is that it made learning about the world and what's happening in it a whole lot easier.

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              -Sam
              "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Sam View Post

                Texas is a big place but the thing about the printing press is that it made learning about the world and what's happening in it a whole lot easier.

                ScreenShot00143.png

                -Sam
                The InternetzWeb is also really good at helping people with geography, where you can learn that El Paso is actually nearly 750 miles (almost 11 hours driving time) from Houston.

                Bonus Fun Fact.... When you're in El Paso, Texas, you're actually close to San Diego than you are to Houston.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  The InternetzWeb is also really good at helping people with geography, where you can learn that El Paso is actually nearly 750 miles (almost 11 hours driving time) from Houston.

                  Bonus Fun Fact.... When you're in El Paso, Texas, you're actually close to San Diego than you are to Houston.
                  "We didn't see them in Houston when we visited the cancer center" does not serve as a refutation that mobile morgues were required in many cities during the pandemic, as I wrote. Like Mountain Man, you're prioritizing your (uninterested) personal experience over facts you could learn by having just slightly broader epistemological standards.

                  -Sam
                  "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Sam View Post
                    "We didn't see them in Houston when we visited the cancer center" ....
                    We were at the very spot where, supposedly, these morgue trucks were set up. There were none there.
                    We did not, however, stop by El Paso on our way home.

                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Yeah, I remember those amazing invisible mobile morgue trucks, as they were quite prominent at our Houston hospitals.
                      Multiple trips to MD Anderson for my wife's cancer follow-up during the pandemic, but I didn't have my "see invisible stuff" glasses, so....
                      There have been several mostly ignored admissions that we might have grossly overcounted Covid fatalities.

                      NYT casually drops a truth bomb: about 30% of "COVID deaths" weren't from COVID

                      Leana Wen, CNN's medical expert, who is a former head of Planned Parenthood and a Baltimore health commissioner, was saying this past January that Covid-caused fatalities were grossly overcounted in the U.S. and it's time to get the real numbers.

                      And I've noted several times that the government's monetarily incentivizing reporting Covid-caused fatalities might be behind much of our much higher numbers than most everywhere else.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        Despite the fact that you got the details 100% wrong? I hope you don't expect anybody here to buy that.
                        Well, I never, not ever, do I expect you MM, to buy into anything other than what you are already predisposed to buy into. That, objectivity, is just not one of your attributes.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                          There have been several mostly ignored admissions that we might have grossly overcounted Covid fatalities.

                          NYT casually drops a truth bomb: about 30% of "COVID deaths" weren't from COVID

                          Leana Wen, CNN's medical expert, who is a former head of Planned Parenthood and a Baltimore health commissioner, was saying this past January that Covid-caused fatalities were grossly overcounted in the U.S. and it's time to get the real numbers.

                          And I've noted several times that the government's monetarily incentivizing reporting Covid-caused fatalities might be behind much of our much higher numbers than most everywhere else.
                          The cited NYTimes article is talking about COVID deaths being counted in mid-2023, when COVID deaths were (relatively) very low, not during the pandemic, where we likely undercounted COVID deaths:

                          Source: COVID-19 Deaths in the US Continue to Be Undercounted, Research Shows, Despite Claims of ‘Overcounts’. ANDREW STOKES DIELLE LUNDBERG ELIZABETH WRIGLEY-FIELD YEA-HUNG CHEN. BU School of Public Health. 2023.01.25

                          In a newly released study that has not yet been peer-reviewed, our team found that during the first two years of the pandemic – from March 2020 to February 2022 – there were between 996,869 and 1,278,540 excess deaths in the U.S. Among these, 866,187 were recognized as COVID-19 on death certificates. This means that there were between 130,682 and 412,353 more excess deaths than COVID-19 deaths. The gap between excess deaths and COVID-19 deaths was large in both the first and second years of the pandemic. This suggests that COVID-19 deaths were undercounted even after the pandemic’s chaotic early months.

                          Major studies have also concluded that excess deaths exceeded COVID-19 deaths at the national level during the first two years of the pandemic. And preliminary analyses by our team have found that the gap between excess deaths and COVID-19 deaths has persisted into the third year of the pandemic. This suggests that COVID-19 deaths are still being undercounted.

                          Making sense of the discrepancy

                          Explaining the discrepancy between excess deaths and reported COVID-19 deaths is a more challenging task. But several threads of evidence support the idea that the difference largely reflects uncounted COVID-19 deaths.

                          In a recent study, we found that excess deaths peaked immediately before spikes in reported COVID-19 deaths. This was the case even for excess deaths associated with causes like Alzheimer’s disease that are unlikely to rapidly change due to patients avoiding hospitals or other changes in behavior during the pandemic.

                          This finding aligns with the observation that COVID-19 deaths may go unrecognized – and be misclassified to other causes of death – at the beginning of COVID-19 surges. At this time, COVID-19 testing may be less frequent in the community, among medical providers and among death investigators. If excess deaths were not caused by COVID-19, they would instead either remain relatively constant during COVID-19 surges or they would peak afterwards when hospitals were overcrowded and deaths may have resulted from health care interruptions.

                          Excess deaths related to external causes of death such as drug overdose also increased during the pandemic. However, a preliminary study found that the scale of this increase was small relative to the overall increase in excess deaths. So deaths from external factors alone cannot explain the gap between excess and COVID-19 deaths.

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                          -Sam
                          "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                          • #58

                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            Well, I never, not ever, do I expect you MM, to buy into anything other than what you are already predisposed to buy into. That, objectivity, is just not one of your attributes.


                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Sam View Post

                              "We didn't see them in Houston when we visited the cancer center" does not serve as a refutation that mobile morgues were required in many cities during the pandemic, as I wrote. Like Mountain Man, you're prioritizing your (uninterested) personal experience over facts you could learn by having just slightly broader epistemological standards.

                              -Sam
                              Still laughing at this...
                              I specifically mention Houston Hospitals.... you post something about El Paso - nowhere NEAR Houston.... then you come back with your sneering little insult in a pitiful little attempt to evade your error.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                Still laughing at this...
                                I specifically mention Houston Hospitals.... you post something about El Paso - nowhere NEAR Houston.... then you come back with your sneering little insult in a pitiful little attempt to evade your error.
                                I was not and am not bound by your personal radius: I wrote that mobile morgues were necessary in many cities and you said that you didn't see them in Houston. Since I never said that mobile morgues were used in Houston, I don't need to do more than show they were needed in a relatively close enough region to you — since I'm not sure you'd much care about photos of mobile morgues in, say, NYC.

                                Keep laughing, I guess, but it's got to be a pretty hollow laugh.

                                -Sam
                                "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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