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George Santos expelled from Congress

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  • #16
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    ftfy n/c
    Most likely a Feudian slip on the part of rogue, totality aware, I'm sure, that the lies and criminal activity committed of by Trump is far worse, as bad as it was in the Santos matter, than what Santos has been convicted of by the Congress and yet they have continued for years in their unprincipled cowardice in not holding Trump to the same standards.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Frankly I'm a bit surprised given how even several Democrats had voiced concern about ousting someone who hasn't been convicted of anything. This sets a president I'm sure that many who voted for his expulsion will later come to regret.
      Considering how many unscrupulous, glad-handing, junket-enjoying slimeballs occupy Congress, this is actually amusing. Santos is their sacrificial lamb.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        I doubt anyone will be sorry to see him go. But I'll bet they'll be sorry for establishing this precedent.
        It's not a precedent any more than Congressional impeachment of a President is. They know the evidence proves his guilt and he's already admitted to it. What are you new?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

          Considering how many unscrupulous, glad-handing, junket-enjoying slimeballs occupy Congress, this is actually amusing. Santos is their sacrificial lamb.
          Other than Menedez, who, though, his case is a bit different, I think there is probably enough there to oust him ąs well, and many democrats have called for just that. But other than Menedez, name all the criminal Reps. in congress and the crimes they committed that you speak of.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JimL View Post

            Other than Menedez, who, though, his case is a bit different, I think there is probably enough there to oust him ąs well, and many democrats have called for just that. But other than Menedez, name all the criminal Reps. in congress and the crimes they committed that you speak of.
            Off the top of my head there's kiddie diddler Gaetz and inside trader Pelosi.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JimL View Post

              It's not a precedent any more than Congressional impeachment of a President is. They know the evidence proves his guilt and he's already admitted to it. What are you new?
              The precedent was extending to those not convicted of anything.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                The precedent was extending to those not convicted of anything.
                There was a Congressional Ethics Investigation which issued its findings.

                Congress as a whole voted to not expel him prior to an investigation, which I think was the right call. But once there's been an investigation that has reached a conclusion that he did 1000 bad things, then expelling him seems reasonable, as they did.

                By focusing only on him not having (yet) been legally convicted in court, you seem to be are falsely implying there hasn't been an investigative and judgement process, when actually there has been.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  I doubt anyone will be sorry to see him go. But I'll bet they'll be sorry for establishing this precedent.
                  Honestly, I don't think this is as big a precedent as you think. Expulsion still requires 2/3 of the members to agree to expulsion. So, barring either a severely lopsided house of congress ousting members of the other party (Which would be a VERY large precedent). The person would need to be so blatantly unpopular among their peers that they are willing to cross party lines to get rid of them.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    The precedent was extending to those not convicted of anything.
                    There's no particular requirement as such, and the original vote didn't expel him. The vote to get rid of him came after a detailed ethics investigation.

                    And given he was willing to run his credit card fraud on one of his own fellow Republican House members (and the man's mother).....

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                      Off the top of my head there's kiddie diddler Gaetz and inside trader Pelosi.
                      Simple accusations are not evidence of criminal activity. There are already disclosure laws regarding members of Congress trading in stocks. Pelosis husband complied with those laws and Pelosi herself said after the unevidenced accusations that if those laws needed to be strengthened then she would not only be fine with that, but that Congress should extend those laws to the members of the Supreme Court as well who at present are under no scrutiny whatsoever.

                      As far as Gaetz is concerned, I believe those accusations have been investigated and apparently there was not sufficient evidence with which to charge him. Anyone else?
                      Last edited by JimL; 12-02-2023, 04:29 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post

                        Simple accusations are not evidence of criminal activity.
                        Interesting that you didn't extend this principle to Trump during his years in office.
                        We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          The precedent was extending to those not convicted of anything.
                          Michael Myers was expelled from congress in 1980 without having been convicted of anything (he was convicted later, but not at the time of his expulsion).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by alaskazimm View Post

                            Interesting that you didn't extend this principle to Trump during his years in office.
                            That's because they weren't just simple accusations. The evidence was public, his criminal activity was public, his 2 impeachments were public, his constant lying, was public, his multiple illegal attempts at overturning the election were public, just like his criminal activity concerning Jan 6th, and the congressional investigation into it, all public.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post

                              That's because they weren't just simple accusations. The evidence was public, his criminal activity was public, his 2 impeachments were public, his constant lying, was public, his multiple illegal attempts at overturning the election were public, just like his criminal activity concerning Jan 6th, and the congressional investigation into it, all public.
                              Oh yes, it was all public and that is why all the accusations, the impeachment circuses, the Mueller investigation, the J6 hearings were seen to be the political get OMB at any cost sham that they were.
                              We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post

                                Simple accusations are not evidence of criminal activity.
                                Nor are complex ones.

                                There are already disclosure laws regarding members of Congress trading in stocks. Pelosis husband complied with those laws and Pelosi herself said after the unevidenced accusations that if those laws needed to be strengthened then she would not only be fine with that, but that Congress should extend those laws to the members of the Supreme Court as well who at present are under no scrutiny whatsoever.

                                As far as Gaetz is concerned, I believe those accusations have been investigated and apparently there was not sufficient evidence with which to charge him. Anyone else?
                                I understand, you weren't expecting actual examples, and now are panicking.

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