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  • #46
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    And as noted there are many exceptions to this situation. Would your biological father have made a better parent to you than your step-father?
    I don't think anyone is saying there isn't. Seer is claiming that there is a correlation between them, but even strong correlations have exceptions. Take Lung Cancer and Smoking. We KNOW that smoking greatly increases the chance of developing lung cancer. We also know that some people who smoke never develop cancer, and some develop cancer who never smoked. Those exceptions to the rule don't disprove the fact that smoking can lead to lung cancer.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

      And as noted there are many exceptions to this situation. Would your biological father have made a better parent to you than your step-father?
      Good grief, no one is doubting that there are exceptions! It does change the fact that the biological family is, overall, best for children. The question is, why does that seem to bother you?
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

        Of course there are exceptions. That's what defines exceptions, that combined they do not make a rule.
        I don't understand why she has a problem with the biological nuclear family being generally the ideal.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by seer View Post

          Good grief, no one is doubting that there are exceptions! It does change the fact that the biological family is, overall, best for children. The question is, why does that seem to bother you?
          You are the only one suggesting I am bothered by it.

          And because there are so many exceptions, the absolute validity of biological parents being the best persons to raise their progeny is open to question.

          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            You are the only one suggesting I am bothered by it.

            And because there are so many exceptions, the absolute validity of biological parents being the best persons to raise their progeny is open to question.
            Well, it would be interesting if we saw some statistics to back up your questioning, otherwise you are simply blowing smoke.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              I don't think anyone is saying there isn't. Seer is claiming that there is a correlation between them, but even strong correlations have exceptions. Take Lung Cancer and Smoking. We KNOW that smoking greatly increases the chance of developing lung cancer. We also know that some people who smoke never develop cancer, and some develop cancer who never smoked. Those exceptions to the rule don't disprove the fact that smoking can lead to lung cancer.
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

              Of course there are exceptions. That's what defines exceptions, that combined they do not make a rule.
              As I noted earlier, my own opinion is that children need stability, parameters, and TLC. Who provides all that [biological parents, foster parents, same sex parents, adoptive parents, wider family members etc] is immaterial.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post



                As I noted earlier, my own opinion is that children need stability, parameters, and TLC. Who provides all that [biological parents, foster parents, same sex parents, adoptive parents, wider family members etc] is immaterial.
                Which, I guess the question would be, statistically, what type of family structure most successfully provides that "stability, parameters, and TLC"

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post



                  As I noted earlier, my own opinion is that children need stability, parameters, and TLC. Who provides all that [biological parents, foster parents, same sex parents, adoptive parents, wider family members etc] is immaterial.
                  It's not immaterial. Men and women are different, and parent differently. That exposure to different styles is beneficial. Children raised by foster or adoptive parents will grow up with questions about why their biological parents aren't there for them. Step parents most often come after a divorce, which (even when amicable) is stressful for children. Being raised by one's biological parents truly is the ideal. That there are exceptions in no way disproves that.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    It's not immaterial. Men and women are different, and parent differently.
                    On what evidence apart from cultural evidence?

                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    That exposure to different styles is beneficial. Children raised by foster or adoptive parents will grow up with questions about why their biological parents aren't there for them.
                    . The children can be told the truth [in an age appropriate manner] about their biological parents.

                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Step parents most often come after a divorce, which (even when amicable) is stressful for children.
                    I agree. But that is often the two parent family for many children with the other biological parent [if still around]
                    seen on agreed dates.

                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Being raised by one's biological parents truly is the ideal. That there are exceptions in no way disproves that.
                    That there are so many exceptions indicates it is not automatically the ideal.

                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                      Which, I guess the question would be, statistically, what type of family structure most successfully provides that "stability, parameters, and TLC"
                      It does not have necessarily be the two biological parents living in their own exclusive residence raising their biological offspring.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        It does not have necessarily be the two biological parents living in their own exclusive residence raising their biological offspring.
                        I said the question what which group, statistically, was best at providing your criteria. Just because X is best does not mean that Y is not good. You seem rather defensive. You aren't feeling guilty or attacked about how you raised your son are you?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          It does not have necessarily be the two biological parents living in their own exclusive residence raising their biological offspring.
                          But according to decades of studies and evolutionary theory it is still generally best done by biological parents.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            On what evidence apart from cultural evidence?
                            Find me a culture in which men and women parent the same. Go on, I'll wait.
                            . The children can be told the truth [in an age appropriate manner] about their biological parents.
                            From experience, this is never emotionally sufficient.
                            I agree. But that is often the two parent family for many children with the other biological parent [if still around]
                            seen on agreed dates.
                            Again, from experience, this is stressful for all concerned, including the children.
                            That there are so many exceptions indicates it is not automatically the ideal.
                            There aren't "so many" exceptions - and you seem unclear on the meaning of "ideal". Any time an alternative is better, it is due to failure on the part of the biological parent - and it is better in spite of the negative consequences of alternatives.
                            Last edited by One Bad Pig; 10-03-2023, 02:45 PM. Reason: Missed a verb
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Find me a culture in which men and women parent the same. Go on, I'll wait.

                              From experience, this never emotionally sufficient.

                              Again, from experience, this is stressful for all concerned, including the children.

                              There aren't "so many" exceptions - and you seem unclear on the meaning of "ideal". Any time an alternative is better, it is due to failure on the part of the biological parent - and it is better in spite of the negative consequences of alternatives.
                              Hypatia just loves playing the "exception" game. If there is any exception, then whatever you said is wrong.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                                This is why I need to publish the book, to explain the bleeding obvious that conservatives already know.
                                Since scientific research says you're wrong, I assume this book would just be you making stuff up that you felt in your gut ought to be true?

                                Why would anyone care to read that?
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