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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Meh. I once had a science teacher who announced we were all learning the lesson together. IOW, she was learning what she was teaching us as she taught it.
    Purely as a matter of interest did she specifically state, to a class of pupils, that she was learning as she went along?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

      Purely as a matter of interest did she specifically state, to a class of pupils, that she was learning as she went along?
      What did I say in my post?

      She announced that we were all learning the lesson together.

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Meh. I once had a science teacher who announced we were all learning the lesson together. IOW, she was learning what she was teaching us as she taught it.

        There's a reason I say I learned more in my first week in a science class in college than I learned in all of 9th through 12th grade.
        My teachers in high school were generally pretty good. I was on the honors track, however, so my experience may not have been normative. I learned enough in Chem 1 & 2 in high school that I nearly tested out of Chem 101 in college after a six-year hiatus with no studying.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          My teachers in high school were generally pretty good. I was on the honors track, however, so my experience may not have been normative. I learned enough in Chem 1 & 2 in high school that I nearly tested out of Chem 101 in college after a six-year hiatus with no studying.
          Chemistry was what I had in mind regarding learning more in the first week than in all of High School. And I went to a public school regarded as being the best in the county and one of the best in the metro area.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #35
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            What did I say in my post?

            She announced that we were all learning the lesson together.
            The question is, did she actually mean it? You wrote:

            we were all learning the lesson together


            A teacher may say to a class "Today we are all learning about XYZ" simply as a form of speech. It does not follow that the teacher is necessarily ignorant of XYZ.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              The question is, did she actually mean it? You wrote:

              we were all learning the lesson together


              A teacher may say to a class "Today we are all learning about XYZ" simply as a form of speech. It does not follow that the teacher is necessarily ignorant of XYZ.
              She meant it as in this was her first time and was learning it along with us as she taught us. This was evidenced by how often she had to return to the textbook to see what came next. She had returned to college and also would occasionally teach us what she had just learned the previous day.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Chemistry was what I had in mind regarding learning more in the first week than in all of High School. And I went to a public school regarded as being the best in the county and one of the best in the metro area.
                We had an awesome chemistry teacher, a fiery little Sicilian woman. She pushed us to learn.

                ETA: On the other hand, my (first-year) honors pre-cal teacher did us no favors; the class collectively struggled the next year in calculus class. The calculus teacher eventually figured out that we were missing some of the basics; I suspect she went to the pre-cal teacher and gave her some pointers.
                Last edited by One Bad Pig; 10-04-2023, 02:09 PM.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  We had an awesome chemistry teacher, a fiery little Sicilian woman. She pushed us to learn.

                  ETA: On the other hand, my (first-year) honors pre-cal teacher did us no favors; the class collectively struggled the next year in calculus class. The calculus teacher eventually figured out that we were missing some of the basics; I suspect she went to the pre-cal teacher and gave her some pointers.
                  We never had pre-calculus. You went from Algebra, to Geometry, back to Algebra II and then to Trigonometry and finally Calculus.

                  I'll admit that I was out of my depth in Calculus. Math was always my weakest subject although it was fairly easy up to Trigonometry.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    She meant it as in this was her first time and was learning it along with us as she taught us. This was evidenced by how often she had to return to the textbook to see what came next. She had returned to college and also would occasionally teach us what she had just learned the previous day.
                    Now you have added some detail.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      We never had pre-calculus. You went from Algebra, to Geometry, back to Algebra II and then to Trigonometry and finally Calculus.

                      I'll admit that I was out of my depth in Calculus. Math was always my weakest subject although it was fairly easy up to Trigonometry.
                      We went from Algebra I to Algebra II to Geometry to Pre-calculus (which was supposed to include Trigonometry) to Calculus. Which is all fine and dandy, but the Pre-cal teacher sort of omitted the Trigonometry bit. I managed to eke out a C in Calculus.

                      The plebs on the academic track didn't start Algebra until 9th grade, and finished with Trigonometry. We took a test in 7th grade that determined which track we'd be on.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        We went from Algebra I to Algebra II to Geometry to Pre-calculus (which was supposed to include Trigonometry) to Calculus. Which is all fine and dandy, but the Pre-cal teacher sort of omitted the Trigonometry bit. I managed to eke out a C in Calculus.

                        The plebs on the academic track didn't start Algebra until 9th grade, and finished with Trigonometry. We took a test in 7th grade that determined which track we'd be on.
                        We were busy learning to use a slide rule when the school announced that we could use a calculator instead.

                        I wonder how many folks these days would even recognize a slide rule.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          We were busy learning to use a slide rule when the school announced that we could use a calculator instead.

                          I wonder how many folks these days would even recognize a slide rule.
                          I can recognize one, but never learned to use it. In my Introduction to Astronomy & Astrophysics courses, the exams were rather rough; we had to solve word problems by deriving the proper equations and solving them without using any any calculator or cheat sheet - including principles from trigonometry, logarithms, and calculus. As long as we got within an order of magnitude of the exact answer and showed the proper work, we got credit.
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                          • #43
                            I could have placed out of my frosh chem. class, but I decided to take it as a refresher. I'm glad I did. It covered some ground I hadn't had in HS.

                            My HS math went Alg. I, Alg. II, Geometry, Alg III & Trig, and finally "Introduction to Analysis." I aced the first, third, and fifth. I had a notoriously sub-par teacher for Alg. II and Alg. III & Trig. But it's also true that my verbal skills are better than my math skills. That was observable on DAT, PSAT, and SAT.

                            At college, I struggled with Calculus and Differential Equations, but then after I took a DE course by correspondence, it was like a switch flipped and suddenly they were fun and fairly easy. I ended up taking a DE course as an elective mostly for fun.

                            I've never used a slide-rule. Mine was the first class that did not. That would have been Chemistry in the '76-'77 school year, IIRC.
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                            • #44
                              The point being, despite all these fascinating recollections of school/college experiences, that if anyone is teaching a curriculum that person has to be fully cognizant of the topic.

                              That this is not the case in some public schools is lamentable and the USA is not alone in its problems with education and literacy and numeracy rates.

                              A leading article from March this year in The New Statesman [which will no doubt be dismissed by some here as a British "leftie" journal] and which was looking at the issues of British university education noted that universities are flooding the market with graduates that lack a command of basic English. The author quoted the British historian David Abulafia who had made his remarks some years earlier. He observed that "People do not know how to write. Command of grammar, punctuation, and spelling is atrocious". At the time he was commenting on undergraduates at Cambridge [one of the top English universities].

                              If education is reduced to a market commodity with potential students as freely choosing consumers and it is run as a corporate venture with different institutions competing with one another in the market. The end result is inevitable; and to paraphrase the epitaph on the tomb of Wren, if you seek their works, look around you.
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                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                The point being, despite all these fascinating recollections of school/college experiences, that if anyone is teaching a curriculum that person has to be fully cognizant of the topic.

                                That this is not the case in some public schools is lamentable and the USA is not alone in its problems with education and literacy and numeracy rates.

                                A leading article from March this year in The New Statesman [which will no doubt be dismissed by some here as a British "leftie" journal] and which was looking at the issues of British university education noted that universities are flooding the market with graduates that lack a command of basic English. The author quoted the British historian David Abulafia who had made his remarks some years earlier. He observed that "People do not know how to write. Command of grammar, punctuation, and spelling is atrocious". At the time he was commenting on undergraduates at Cambridge [one of the top English universities].

                                If education is reduced to a market commodity with potential students as freely choosing consumers and it is run as a corporate venture with different institutions competing with one another in the market. The end result is inevitable; and to paraphrase the epitaph on the tomb of Wren, if you seek their works, look around you.
                                Public Schools in the US (at least in Texas) are funded on ADA - Average Daily Attendance, often referred to as "butts in seats". As more parents are removing their kids from public schools for home school, private school, Christian school, Charter school - the ADA decreases, and so does the funding - drastically.

                                Because of dropping ADA, our school district is $5.85 MILLION dollars in debt.

                                What the public schools need to do is to find a way to COMPETE - to make parents WANT to put their kids' 'butts in seats' in the public school by doing two things:
                                A) Get control of DISCIPLINE
                                2) Get ACADEMICS headed in the right direction.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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