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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I'd be willing to wager that a home schooled child is much less likely to be abused than is a child who attends a public school. Parents could abuse a child regardless of where they go to school, but its only in a school where they can also be exposed to abuse from faculty, other school employees, and, of course, their fellow students.
    I think the bigger worry with homeschooling is that the child is not getting a proper education. I agree with you that there needs to be some way of checking on them. Like using standardized testing given by a home school board or even the state to make sure that the students are learning properly. But that might already be the case, I don't have any experience in home schooling. CP might know.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

      I think the bigger worry with homeschooling is that the child is not getting a proper education. I agree with you that there needs to be some way of checking on them. Like using standardized testing given by a home school board or even the state to make sure that the students are learning properly. But that might already be the case, I don't have any experience in home schooling. CP might know.
      That may be the bigger worry by some, but it's largely a baseless one, as the stats show very much the opposite. Homeschooled kids are much more likely to be getting a far better education than public schooled and even many private schooled kids, when one looks at outcomes. Higher scores, better post-graduation outcomes, etc.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        I think the bigger worry with homeschooling is that the child is not getting a proper education. I agree with you that there needs to be some way of checking on them. Like using standardized testing given by a home school board or even the state to make sure that the students are learning properly. But that might already be the case, I don't have any experience in home schooling. CP might know.
        We have to turn in paperwork showing the student's progress; there are standardized tests given by the state, but they're not required (in Maryland, at any rate). The homeschooled students I know have a pretty good education, but that's just anecdotal. I can't say that about the public schools around here, though that's also anecdotal.
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        • #19
          The bigger concern isn't the quality of the education per se so much as it is whether any education is occurring in the first place. The sort of paperwork OBP alludes to as a bare minimum of keeping the family honest seems reasonable.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            I think the bigger worry with homeschooling is that the child is not getting a proper education. I agree with you that there needs to be some way of checking on them. Like using standardized testing given by a home school board or even the state to make sure that the students are learning properly. But that might already be the case, I don't have any experience in home schooling. CP might know.
            I recall doing some research on this a few years ago and as I recollect there were difference when it came to the sciences and mathematics. Most parents do not have the higher educational skills in those subjects.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              I recall doing some research on this a few years ago and as I recollect there were difference when it came to the sciences and mathematics. Most parents do not have the higher educational skills in those subjects.
              Nowadays the parents don't have to be experts in the topics. Homeschooling has pre-written courses, complete with teaching guides, answers, textbooks, quizzes, and so on, and have access to experts in case they are needed. At least that is my understanding.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                I recall doing some research on this a few years ago and as I recollect there were difference when it came to the sciences and mathematics. Most parents do not have the higher educational skills in those subjects.
                Public schools aren't especially proficient in educating students in those areas either.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  Public schools aren't especially proficient in educating students in those areas either.
                  That is dealt with in a book by Charles Sykes I read some years ago I may still have my copy somewhere.

                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    That is dealt with in a book by Charles Sykes I read some years ago I may still have my copy somewhere.

                    No argument from me. Schools seem more interested in teaching culture and social interactions than math, history, and science.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      I recall doing some research on this a few years ago and as I recollect there were difference when it came to the sciences and mathematics. Most parents do not have the higher educational skills in those subjects.
                      And yet, in spite of representing a very small fraction of students in 1-12 grade, stories such as Michigan homeschooler wins $10,000 national math championship, Cornerstone Homeschool math team wins state competition and Homeschooled Teen Wins Gold at Physics Olympiad are anything but rare.

                      It could be argued that, for the most part, parents who take the time and effort to educate their children are more vested in it and have much more interest in seeing them succeed than does a teacher who handles a bunch of kids for several hours for a year and then gets an entirely new batch.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        Nowadays the parents don't have to be experts in the topics. Homeschooling has pre-written courses, complete with teaching guides, answers, textbooks, quizzes, and so on, and have access to experts in case they are needed. At least that is my understanding.
                        The quality can be hit or miss though I think that's getting better than it used to be.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                          And yet, in spite of representing a very small fraction of students in 1-12 grade, stories such as Michigan homeschooler wins $10,000 national math championship, Cornerstone Homeschool math team wins state competition and Homeschooled Teen Wins Gold at Physics Olympiad are anything but rare.

                          It could be argued that, for the most part, parents who take the time and effort to educate their children are more vested in it and have much more interest in seeing them succeed than does a teacher who handles a bunch of kids for several hours for a year and then gets an entirely new batch.
                          It could be indeed. However, the educational standards of the parents also have to be factored into home-schooling. If a child wants more from a subject the parents may not be educationally competent to provide for that need.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

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                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            It could be indeed. However, the educational standards of the parents also have to be factored into home-schooling. If a child wants more from a subject the parents may not be educationally competent to provide for that need.
                            That's why curricula and things like Khan Academy exist.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                              That's why curricula and things like Khan Academy exist.
                              A curriculum needs to be fully understood by the person teaching it.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                It could be indeed. However, the educational standards of the parents also have to be factored into home-schooling. If a child wants more from a subject the parents may not be educationally competent to provide for that need.
                                Meh. I once had a science teacher who announced we were all learning the lesson together. IOW, she was learning what she was teaching us as she taught it.

                                There's a reason I say I learned more in my first week in a science class in college than I learned in all of 9th through 12th grade.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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