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    Biden's admin has suddenly and without warning revoked their permanent deferred status, and they've been given a deadline to self-deport. For no clear or apparent reason. The family fled persecution in fascist Germany which outlaws homeschooling of children, and which fined them, used police to force their children into schools, etc., for daring to take on their own children's educations. The case started way back in 2008 when they fled, and after seeking asylum here and getting into a number of court tussles including with the Obama admin, they were finally granted permanent deferred status. In the 15 years since they came to the US, they've had several children here, several of their older children have grown and since married American citizens, and they continue to homeschool their youngest kids.

    I've (as a strong proponent of homeschooling) been watching their case since it started 15 years ago, and sadly am not surprised that our current bozo in chief is trying to deport them.

    German Homeschoolers Face Deportation After 15 Years in the US


    A Christian family who fled Germany to be able to homeschool their seven children say they now face deportation, 15 years after arriving in the United States and fighting for asylum.

    The Romeikes celebrated what their supporters called “an incredible victory that can only be credited to our Almighty God” in 2014, when they were allowed to remain in the US after years of court appeals. Their lawyer said the decision meant the family could “stay without worries in the future.”

    Yet earlier this month, Tennessee residents Uwe and Hannelore Romeike said they learned their deferred action status had been revoked during a check-in with immigration officials. They said their family was directed to obtain German passports and to prepare to self-deport by October 11, with no prior warning or explanation for the change.

    The Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), an evangelical group that backed the Romeikes when they came to the US, has launched a campaign asking the government to reinstate their deferred action status.

    Their four oldest children are now adults, and two have married Americans. The Romeikes continue to homeschool their three youngest, including two daughters born in the US.

    “Deportation to Germany will fracture these families, while exposing the Romeikes to renewed persecution in Germany, where homeschooling is still illegal in almost every case,” said HSLDA.

    In Bissingen, located outside of Stuttgart, Germany, the Romeikes decided to educate their children at home because they opposed public school curricula (including “sex education, evolution, and fairy tales”) on religious grounds.

    Homeschooling is not legal in the country, though enforcement on the ban can vary by district. In 2006, the parents were threatened, fined $9,000, and had three of their kids escorted to school by police when they refused to send them, according to a court brief. They moved to the US in 2008.

    Their situation represented an unusual religious asylum case in the US, raising questions around whether homeschooling is a human right and if denying a family the opportunity to homeschool for faith reasons amounted to persecution.

    A Tennessee judge initially ruled in the Romeikes’ favor in 2010, but then the family repeatedly lost on appeal. The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously denied their asylum claims, saying, “There is a difference between the persecution of a discrete group and the prosecution of those who violate a generally applicable law.”

    Their case was denied review by the Supreme Court in 2014, but the following day, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) decided to let the family stay under an order of supervision and indefinite deferred action.

    Deferred action is not a legal immigration status, and it doesn’t offer a pathway to citizenship, so it’s not ideal for people who plan to stay in the country permanently.

    “It’s something you want if you feel like you have no other options,” said Lance Conklin, an immigration attorney who specializes in asylum cases. Deferred action, he said, “can be granted for the government for any reason,” most often to people who don’t pose a risk to society and are not a priority for deportation.

    It’s usually temporary, and at any time, the government can terminate deferred action and move forward with removing noncitizens from the country. The DACA program—Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals—is a type of deferred action.

    “The tenuous nature of deferred action highlights one of many complexities of the US immigration system,” said Robyn Brown, a lawyer who serves as the director of immigration programs for World Relief.

    Brown, speaking about immigration policy in general and not the Romeikes in particular, pointed out that many people cannot obtain permanent legal status through family sponsorship, employer sponsorship, or visas. And “for those seeking hardship-based relief such as asylum, the narrow eligibility requirements can be difficult for applicants to understand and prove, and adjudication can take years,” she said.

    The Romeikes don’t want to uproot the lives they’ve built in Morristown, Tennessee.

    “We have been here for 15 years, that’s most of the lives of our children. The youngest was three when we came, now she’s 18. The oldest is now 26,” Uwe Romeike told the National Review. “Even for us as parents, in 15 years we have made many, many friends. We’ve been involved in the same church for over a decade. Our home is here in America, in Tennessee.”

    Uwe Romeike works as a piano accompanist at Carson-Newman University, a Baptist school in nearby Jefferson City. The Romeikes’ 25-year-old daughter Lydia is a photographer and vlogger with over 60,000 subscribers on YouTube.

    “They try to do everything right for the last 15 years, tried to get deferred status, tried to work toward citizenship, and then all of a sudden they’re like, ‘You gotta come back and work toward self-deportation,’ so really pray that that doesn’t happen,” said Lydia’s husband Trace Bates, in a video posted September 16, days after the birth of their first child and the Romeikes’ first grandchild.

    “We really do pray that the Lord changes the heart of the people at the ICE department and the people higher up in the government.”

    The US congresswoman for East Tennessee has filed a bill on the Romeikes’ behalf, which would allow them a path to citizenship through green card status. It’s been deferred to the House Judiciary Committee and Subcommittee on Immigration, and HSLDA lobbied for support on Capitol Hill this week.

    The other hope for the Romeikes lies in the Biden administration, which could direct immigration officials to reinstate their deferred status and call off the directive to self-deport. “The United States executive branch intervened once before to grant the Romeikes a respite,” HSLDA said, “and it has the power to do it again.”


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    The Romeikes celebrated what their supporters called “an incredible victory that can only be credited to our Almighty God” in 2014, when they were allowed to remain in the US after years of court appeals.

    Wait... so if God kept them in the country last time, and they are now being deported... does that mean that God's not "Almighty" and that the devil won in the end according to their logic?


    In general, I'm not at all a supporter of open borders. Countries have a right to refuse asylum seekers, or to put them through a legal process to assess their claims in court. This family has gone through the US immigration court process, and this is the outcome for them. Why should they be a special case?

    Overall, is it a bit weird to have a system that deports someone 15 years later? Yes. Could/should America tweak its immigration rules to make deportations more timely? Yes.

    As far as homeschooling goes, I worry that abusive parents can use that option to stop anyone seeing the abuse that is occurring in the home. By controlling what their child learns, they can also stop the child realizing that it is abuse that's occurring, and that it isn't legal and that they could/should be contacting authorities about it. I also think that the vast vast majority of parents are simply not equipped to give their children as good an education as what can occur in schools, because the parents will not have the diverse expertise across all subjects that you can get across multiple trained teachers. So unless there is a special case (e.g. serious medical issue where the child cannot attend school), I do not support home schooling. And an "I want to indoctrinate my children into my ideology" attitude that some would-be homeschoolers have is definitely a bad reason for wanting to home-school.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      The Romeikes celebrated what their supporters called “an incredible victory that can only be credited to our Almighty God” in 2014, when they were allowed to remain in the US after years of court appeals.

      Wait... so if God kept them in the country last time, and they are now being deported... does that mean that God's not "Almighty" and that the devil won in the end according to their logic?
      Sometimes God gives the Devil more rope, just look at you...
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        The Romeikes celebrated what their supporters called “an incredible victory that can only be credited to our Almighty God” in 2014, when they were allowed to remain in the US after years of court appeals.

        Wait... so if God kept them in the country last time, and they are now being deported... does that mean that God's not "Almighty" and that the devil won in the end according to their logic?


        In general, I'm not at all a supporter of open borders. Countries have a right to refuse asylum seekers, or to put them through a legal process to assess their claims in court. This family has gone through the US immigration court process, and this is the outcome for them. Why should they be a special case?

        Overall, is it a bit weird to have a system that deports someone 15 years later? Yes. Could/should America tweak its immigration rules to make deportations more timely? Yes.

        As far as homeschooling goes, I worry that abusive parents can use that option to stop anyone seeing the abuse that is occurring in the home. By controlling what their child learns, they can also stop the child realizing that it is abuse that's occurring, and that it isn't legal and that they could/should be contacting authorities about it. I also think that the vast vast majority of parents are simply not equipped to give their children as good an education as what can occur in schools, because the parents will not have the diverse expertise across all subjects that you can get across multiple trained teachers. So unless there is a special case (e.g. serious medical issue where the child cannot attend school), I do not support home schooling. And an "I want to indoctrinate my children into my ideology" attitude that some would-be homeschoolers have is definitely a bad reason for wanting to home-school.
        I agree with your last point on home-schooling and here those special cases exist but trained teaches are sent to the child's home.

        Despite our mutual friend's somewhat hysterical use of language, this family was not being persecuted here. He does so love to think that Germany is still a jackbooted fascist dictatorship!

        The use of that word for a comparatively trivial reason belittles those around the world who have suffered, and are suffering, the risk of [or real] persecution because of their ethnicity, their beliefs [religious or political] or lifestyles.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          I agree with your last point on home-schooling and here those special cases exist but trained teaches are sent to the child's home.

          Despite our mutual friend's somewhat hysterical use of language, this family was not being persecuted here. He does so love to think that Germany is still a jackbooted fascist dictatorship!

          The use of that word for a comparatively trivial reason belittles those around the world who have suffered, and are suffering, the risk of [or real] persecution because of their ethnicity, their beliefs [religious or political] or lifestyles.
          Er, yes, they were. You do so love to try to handwave away your country's jackbooted behavior. The family was being fined, and having literal police (jackboots) come to their home, take their children by threat of arrest and potential violence (police have guns and power of arrest), and force them to State schools, daily. That's literally the definition of jackbooted behavior.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            Er, yes, they were. You do so love to try to handwave away your country's jackbooted behavior. The family was being fined, and having literal police (jackboots) come to their home, take their children by threat of arrest and potential violence (police have guns and power of arrest), and force them to State schools, daily.
            Nothing was preventing them giving their children additional lessons, or alternatively they could have chosen to move to France, another EU country.

            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
            That's literally the definition of jackbooted behavior.
            That is your definition.

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            • #7
              ETA to above comment. The family had a choice of various EU countries that permit home-schooling, including Britain which, at the time, was an EU member state.

              The USA was not their only option.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                Nothing was preventing them giving their children additional lessons, or alternatively they could have chosen to move to France, another EU country.
                They chose to come to America, which at least used to be the land of the free, where they could continue to homeschool their children instead of having jackbooted thugs steal their children and force them into government indoctrination centers. Interesting though you make that argument that sounds a lot like what people in most of those countries use toward migrants fleeing into the EU. "they could have just moved to a nearby country instead of coming here'.
                That is your definition.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                  They chose to come to America, which at least used to be the land of the free, where they could continue to homeschool their children instead of having jackbooted thugs steal their children and force them into government indoctrination centers.


                  Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
                  Interesting though you make that argument that sounds a lot like what people in most of those countries use toward migrants fleeing into the EU. "they could have just moved to a nearby country instead of coming here'.
                  Correction. This family were not immigrants here; although they are in your country; and a point of information, we took over a million immigrants in 2015.

                  There were various EU countries in which they could have chosen to live and under Schengen they would have been perfectly entitled to move to those countries without any paperwork [barring the UK which was not included in that Agreement].

                  However, they moved to the USA and chose to live in Tennessee, in the heart of the Bible Belt.

                  That suggests they wished to be among people whom they anticipated would share their particular views and values.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    Yes, I understand, you think police coming to your home and taking your children and forcing them into State schools whilst fining you, is normal behavior and consider it okay for that to be done to parents who decide to homeschool their children. We've established you're just fine with jackbootery, as can be expected from a German.

                    Correction. This family were not immigrants here;
                    I didn't say they were. So correct your nosehairs.

                    although they are in your country; and a point of information, we took over a million immigrants in 2015.
                    That's nice for you I guess? We took in more than that in 2015 just legally, and many more through undocumented means. Do you want a gold star?

                    There were various EU countries in which they could have chosen to live and under Schengen they would have been perfectly entitled to move to those countries without any paperwork [barring the UK which was not included in that Agreement].
                    Nope, I'm talking about Europeans making the argument that the migrants could have stayed in numerous other countries before ever entering any country under Schengen.

                    However, they moved to the USA and chose to live in Tennessee, in the heart of the Bible Belt.
                    And?
                    That suggests they wished to be among people whom they anticipated would share their particular views and values.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      The Romeikes celebrated what their supporters called “an incredible victory that can only be credited to our Almighty God” in 2014, when they were allowed to remain in the US after years of court appeals.

                      Wait... so if God kept them in the country last time, and they are now being deported... does that mean that God's not "Almighty" and that the devil won in the end according to their logic?


                      In general, I'm not at all a supporter of open borders. Countries have a right to refuse asylum seekers, or to put them through a legal process to assess their claims in court. This family has gone through the US immigration court process, and this is the outcome for them. Why should they be a special case?

                      Overall, is it a bit weird to have a system that deports someone 15 years later? Yes. Could/should America tweak its immigration rules to make deportations more timely? Yes.

                      As far as homeschooling goes, I worry that abusive parents can use that option to stop anyone seeing the abuse that is occurring in the home. By controlling what their child learns, they can also stop the child realizing that it is abuse that's occurring, and that it isn't legal and that they could/should be contacting authorities about it. I also think that the vast vast majority of parents are simply not equipped to give their children as good an education as what can occur in schools, because the parents will not have the diverse expertise across all subjects that you can get across multiple trained teachers. So unless there is a special case (e.g. serious medical issue where the child cannot attend school), I do not support home schooling. And an "I want to indoctrinate my children into my ideology" attitude that some would-be homeschoolers have is definitely a bad reason for wanting to home-school.
                      It would seem that there is more of a chance of a child being abused in school than at home. Hard to check statistics because they generally include only cases involving faculty.

                      OTOH, home schooled kids, who represent a tiny minority in the country, are way over-represented in various scholastic achievement awards and contests indicating that for the most part they get a superior education.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        The Romeikes celebrated what their supporters called “an incredible victory that can only be credited to our Almighty God” in 2014, when they were allowed to remain in the US after years of court appeals.

                        Wait... so if God kept them in the country last time, and they are now being deported... does that mean that God's not "Almighty" and that the devil won in the end according to their logic?


                        In general, I'm not at all a supporter of open borders. Countries have a right to refuse asylum seekers, or to put them through a legal process to assess their claims in court. This family has gone through the US immigration court process, and this is the outcome for them. Why should they be a special case?

                        Overall, is it a bit weird to have a system that deports someone 15 years later? Yes. Could/should America tweak its immigration rules to make deportations more timely? Yes.

                        As far as homeschooling goes, I worry that abusive parents can use that option to stop anyone seeing the abuse that is occurring in the home. By controlling what their child learns, they can also stop the child realizing that it is abuse that's occurring, and that it isn't legal and that they could/should be contacting authorities about it. I also think that the vast vast majority of parents are simply not equipped to give their children as good an education as what can occur in schools, because the parents will not have the diverse expertise across all subjects that you can get across multiple trained teachers. So unless there is a special case (e.g. serious medical issue where the child cannot attend school), I do not support home schooling. And an "I want to indoctrinate my children into my ideology" attitude that some would-be homeschoolers have is definitely a bad reason for wanting to home-school.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                          The stats simply don't bear out your claims and "worries".
                          I think the concern is legit. I could see some parents using home schooling as a way of trying to conceal abuse. Of course this can be easily remedied by requiring something like quarterly or twice a year quick inspection to make sure the curriculum is up to snuff and that the kids aren't being mistreated.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            I think the concern is legit. I could see some parents using home schooling as a way of trying to conceal abuse. Of course this can be easily remedied by requiring something like quarterly or twice a year quick inspection to make sure the curriculum is up to snuff and that the kids aren't being mistreated.
                            Yep. On the other hand, some children these days get so abused in school that homeschool is the better option. I know someone who was so badly abused by other students that he went nearly catatonic for a while.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Yep. On the other hand, some children these days get so abused in school that homeschool is the better option. I know someone who was so badly abused by other students that he went nearly catatonic for a while.
                              I'd be willing to wager that a home schooled child is much less likely to be abused than is a child who attends a public school. Parents could abuse a child regardless of where they go to school, but its only in a school where they can also be exposed to abuse from faculty, other school employees, and, of course, their fellow students.

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