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  • RFK Jr Independent

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rfk-...2024%20contest.

    If he runs as an independent, a Republican will win the White House.

    Assuming 'the machine' doesn't have him stopped.

  • #2
    The Democrats are facing several people who said they will run a third party campaign that has them sweating bullets. Of course if Trump isn't the nominee and decides to run as an independent, the Democrats will win.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      The Democrats are facing several people who said they will run a third party campaign that has them sweating bullets. Of course if Trump isn't the nominee and decides to run as an independent, the Democrats will win.
      I doubt Trump would need to run as an independent. The RNC doesn't seem to play the same machination games that the DNC plays, at least not to the same degree anyway.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        The Democrats are facing several people who said they will run a third party campaign that has them sweating bullets. Of course if Trump isn't the nominee and decides to run as an independent, the Democrats will win.
        Yes, a 3rd party has us liberals sweating bullets, and if you were smart it would have you sweating bullets as well.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ronson View Post

          I doubt Trump would need to run as an independent. The RNC doesn't seem to play the same machination games that the DNC plays, at least not to the same degree anyway.
          They accepted and respected the will of the rank and file even if they thought it was a big mistake whereas the Democrats (the ones who claim they want every vote to count) ignored what their rank-and-file membership wanted and set up a system that guaranteed a win for Hillary regardless.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JimL View Post

            Yes, a 3rd party has us liberals sweating bullets, and if you were smart it would have you sweating bullets as well.
            Cornel West's candidacy has been one that has been keeping them up at night as they realize he'll peel off a significant portion of the black vote (who are becoming increasingly disenchanted with the duffer).

            But yeah, of the 16 polls since May that I've seen that have included third party candidates, old Joe led in only one and for the most part the trend is starting to exceed the margin of error.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JimL View Post

              Yes, a 3rd party has us liberals sweating bullets, and if you were smart it would have you sweating bullets as well.
              So, your party needs to get rid of Biden. That would be a big start.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                They accepted and respected the will of the rank and file even if they thought it was a big mistake whereas the Democrats (the ones who claim they want every vote to count) ignored what their rank-and-file membership wanted and set up a system that guaranteed a win for Hillary regardless.
                And who did the rank and file prefer on the Democrat side of the aisle, and how did the DNC rig the primary? You do realize Clinton won 34 state primary elections.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post

                  And who did the rank and file prefer on the Democrat side of the aisle, and how did the DNC rig the primary? You do realize Clinton won 34 state primary elections.
                  The rigging occurred before that when they ignored and sidestepped Bernie, to keep him from communicating his message. Now it's happening with RFK Jr.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Cornel West's candidacy has been one that has been keeping them up at night as they realize he'll peel off a significant portion of the black vote (who are becoming increasingly disenchanted with the duffer).
                    No doubt a Cornel West candidacy would hurt the Democrats as any librel 3rd party candidacy would regardless of what you think of Bidens popularity among blacks or any one else on the more liberal side of the aisle.


                    But yeah, of the 16 polls since May that I've seen that have included third party candidates, old Joe led in only one and for the most part the trend is starting to exceed the margin of error.
                    Yes, the 3rd party's in question tend to be designed to hurt democrats so that only makes sense. So then, the danger of electing Trump, who General Milley in his farewell speech just called a wannabe dictator, (will anything ever wake you Trumpsters up) becomes more likely.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                      The rigging occurred before that when they ignored and sidestepped Bernie, to keep him from communicating his message. Now it's happening with RFK Jr.
                      And how exactly did the DNC do that?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post

                        And how exactly did the DNC do that?
                        I think you must have missed a chapter at the time.

                        https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/bern...ry?id=40824983

                        An excerpt:

                        WikiLeaks released about 20,000 emails on Friday, just days before Democratic National Convention is set to kick off in Philadelphia, that appear to show Democratic National Committee officials attempting to aid Hillary Clinton’s campaign in the party’s primary.

                        Several of the emails released indicate that the officials, including Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, grew increasingly agitated with Sanders and his campaign as the primary season advanced.

                        One email exchange suggested bringing up Sanders’ religious beliefs as a way to hurt his campaign in parts of the country.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post

                          And how exactly did the DNC do that?
                          More

                          https://observer.com/2017/08/court-a...ainst-sanders/

                          Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders

                          The court affirmed that the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Hillary Clinton.

                          In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.” He added that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned much sooner than she did. The lawsuit was filed to push the DNC to admit their wrongdoing and provide Bernie Sanders supporters, who supported him financially with millions of dollars in campaign contributions, with restitution for being cheated....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                            More

                            https://observer.com/2017/08/court-a...ainst-sanders/

                            Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders

                            The court affirmed that the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Hillary Clinton.

                            In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.” He added that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned much sooner than she did. The lawsuit was filed to push the DNC to admit their wrong doing and provide Bernie Sanders supporters, who supported him financially with millions of dollars in campaign contributions, with restitution for being cheated....
                            I see accusations by Sanders supporters of rigging the election, which accusations i do recall at the time, (btw I supported Sanders) but I don't see any specifics of rigging.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post

                              I see accusations by Sanders supporters of rigging the election, which accusations i do recall at the time, (btw I supported Sanders) but I don't see any specifics of rigging.
                              I gave you samples. I don't have time or the inclination to teach a class on the subject.

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