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  • #31
    Republicans gaining as star now says "levels of power they shouldn't in a 'blue' state" is a far, far cry from his initial hysterical claims that Republicans control New York.

    Deals with the minority party like this are common. And if they didn't benefit the majority party they would never offer much less accept such an arrangement.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      Republicans gaining as star now says "levels of power they shouldn't in a 'blue' state" is a far, far cry from his initial hysterical claims that Republicans control New York.
      Not a claim I have ever made in my life. If you think I have ever, ever, stated that Republicans have complete overall control of NY state, you are just delusionally, completely, utterly wrong. Please stop with your psychotic lying that I have ever said that.

      My claim was that originally led to you going completely psycho over this was that Republicans had control of the New York State Senate. I am also now noting that they had control of the New York State Supreme Court. I was 100% right in both claims.

      You on the other hand have been very actively wrong on the subject. You have stated, for example:
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      What is mentally incomprehensible is that you actually think that Republicans have any sort of majority in the state of New York. [emphasis mine]
      Clearly, you were absolutely wrong with that statement. Both the recent Republican majorities in the State Senate and the State Supreme Court are examples that disprove your wildly false claim that Republicans do not have "any sort of majority" in the state. You are obviously ignorant of NY state politics, and you make completely false statements like this as you make your ludicrously false and psychotic attacks on me.

      Deals with the minority party like this are common. And if they didn't benefit the majority party they would never offer much less accept such an arrangement.
      Of course it doesn't "benefit the major party" to cede their own majority! What it benefits is a few corrupt individuals to betray their own party for personal gain. A major party might benefit from some kinds of agreement with the minor party, but not from simply giving the minor party full control by having some of their own members pretty much outrightly defect to side with the other party (the IDC in the NY state senate) or by choosing to give a minor party an outright majority (e.g. by appointing Republican judges to give Republican judges a majority)
      Last edited by Starlight; 09-24-2023, 06:52 PM.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Not a claim I have ever made in my life. If you think I have ever, ever, stated that Republicans have complete overall control of NY state, you are just delusionally, completely, utterly wrong. Please stop with your psychotic lying that I have ever said that.

        My claim was that originally led to you going completely psycho over this was that Republicans had control of the New York State Senate. I am also now noting that they had control of the New York State Supreme Court. I was 100% right in both claims.
        Having control of the state, which is what your initial claim was, is not the same as your temporally contextual clarification of merely having control of the state senate.

        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        As I recall it, my dislike of him for his betrayal of the Democratic party by his creation of the IDF in order to give Republicans a majority in NY state in order to thwart progressives, was mentally incomprehensible to you since in your mind anyone who ever called themselves a democrat is some sort of far left Stalinist radical.

        ETA: Of course, this all an aside from current corruption by a Democratic senator.If he was a Republican, Schumer et all would be howling for a resignation. He's certainly not getting the same treatment Dems gave to Santos.
        Last edited by Diogenes; 09-24-2023, 07:18 PM.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
          Having control of the state, which is what your initial claim was, is not the same as your temporally contextual clarification of merely having control of the state senate.
          Having "a majority" in one of the parts of government in the state (which is my statement you quote) isn't at all the same as "having control of the state" because there are multiple parts to all state governments. At no point have I ever said, or would ever say, that Republicans had control of NY state. That was not my "initial claim", and at not point have I claimed that, so please don't deceive everyone by falsely saying it was.

          The Republicans had a majority in two of the parts of the NY state government: The State Senate, and the State Supreme Court, but in the post you quote I was specifically referring to the former. By contrast, the Dems have tended to have control of the Governorship and Assembly.

          Rogue's follow-up post that it was "incomprehensible" that Republicans had "any" majorities in NY state government, was, however, completely wrong on his part. Well, perhaps it was "incomprehensible" to him.

          In the discussion that followed at that time, I clarified to people who hadn't understood what I had been saying:
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          My point about Cuomo remains. He betrayed the Democratic party by arranging for a small group of Dems in the NY Senate to defect from their party and caucus with the Republicans. And he did this in order to create a Republican majority in the Senate, in order to ensure any Democrat-leaning legislation that the NY Assembly passed would be blocked. His goal in doing this was primarily to protect his rich donors from having any legislation passed which might raise their taxes in order to help the common people, and secondarily to protect his political career by meaning he didn't have to openly veto such bills.
          I had previously twice complained about Cuomo doing this, in two discussions a few months earlier on TWeb. I had, apparently unreasonably assumed, that anyone reading my 1-sentence post would know to interpret it in light of the previous discussions I had fairly recently had with those people on the same subject. In one of those earlier discussions I likened Cuomo's actions in sabotaging the NY Senate to block state legislation to Dems letting Republicans use the filibuster in the federal senate to block federal legislation:
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Knowing Chuck Schumer, the first thing Dems will do on taking the presidency and achieving majorities in both houses of congress will be fully restoring the filibuster rules to ensure Senate Republicans can block anything the Dems want to do. Seriously. Seems to be the standard tactic now from the big donors to bribe the Dem leadership to cede enough ground to Republicans to debilitate the Dems and ensure any real change is blocked. Cuomo's IDC in NY seemed to function similarly.
          The "IDC" was the group of NY state senators who sided with the Republicans in order to give Republicans a NY state senate majority, and thus block progressive legislation being passed by the Dem controlled NY state assembly.

          Similarly, I had written in one of the discussions prior to the quote you cite:
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Cuomo encouraged centrist Dems in the NY legislature to defect from the Dem party and join with the Republicans in order to give the Republicans the majority in the NY legislature in order that they would pass policies Cuomo approved so that he didn't have to embarrass himself by vetoing left-leaning legislation that the Dems would have passed. Have a read about it here.
          I'll grant you this post had some slightly careless wording because it says "legislature" when I am actually referring to only one of the two parts of the legislature, as the story I link to makes clear for anyone reading the post.

          If you think my passing 1 sentence comment a few months later, that you cite above, about Republicans having "a majority" in NY state government was vague, okay, it was vague and I didn't in that post say which part of the state government they had a majority in. Because I had already talked about the subject twice previously not long before that, I didn't feel the need to explain every detail in a one sentence post. You'll note the one sentence post begins "As I recall it..." referencing my discussions with those people on the same subject.
          Last edited by Starlight; 09-24-2023, 07:59 PM.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
            ETA: Of course, this all an aside from current corruption by a Democratic senator.If he was a Republican, Schumer et all would be howling for a resignation. He's certainly not getting the same treatment Dems gave to Santos.
            ? If anything, I felt like the Dem leadership's condemnation of Santos was tepid and very slow in coming, and I recall that annoying me at that time. They weren't howling for a resignation. They didn't bother even raising a token objection to him being "seated" in the House which had the Republicans smirking.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Having "a majority" in one of the parts of government in the state (which is my statement you quote) isn't at all the same as "having control of the state" because there are multiple parts to all state governments. At no point have I ever said, or would ever say, that Republicans had control of NY state. That was not my "initial claim", and at not point have I claimed that, so please don't deceive everyone by falsely saying it was.
              It seems you have trouble reading your own quote. I am not "deceiving" anyone as anyone can read what your wrote and read that I acknowledged your clarification to the state senate, which I believe was your original intent as indicated by your clarification and your reference to the Independent Democrat Conference, not that knowledge or ignorance of the specifics of the NY State Senate is indicative of knowledge or ignorance of the US as a whole. Your attempt to present such knowledge to establish bona fides is unimpressive.

              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              ? If anything, I felt like the Dem leadership's condemnation of Santos was tepid and very slow in coming, and I recall that annoying me at that time. They weren't howling for a resignation. They didn't bother even raising a token objection to him being "seated" in the House which had the Republicans smirking.
              At no point did I say people were howling for the resignation of Santos. My use of that phrase was reserved for a hypothetical Republican's in a similar situation as Menendez. So far only two non-US Senate Democrats that I can quickly find have called on Menendez to resign.

              ETA Post Star's reply, I will end my participation that line of dialogue to maintain thread integrity.
              Last edited by Diogenes; 09-24-2023, 09:07 PM.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                It seems you have trouble reading your own quote. I am not "deceiving" anyone as anyone can read what your wrote and read that I acknowledged your clarification to the state senate, which I believe was your original intent as indicated by your clarification and your reference to the Independent Democrat Conference, not that knowledge or ignorance of the specifics of the NY State Senate is indicative of knowledge or ignorance of the US as a whole. Your attempt to present such knowledge to establish bona fides is unimpressive.
                You cited a 1-sentence post out of context that explicitly refers to my previous discussions on the topic, and then provided a creative interpretation of that sentence it that is at odds with my previous discussions on the topic. That is pretty actively deceptive by you. If you are just going to add new layers of lies, butt out of this discussion and troll elsewhere.
                Last edited by Starlight; 09-24-2023, 09:01 PM.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  ? If anything, I felt like the Dem leadership's condemnation of Santos was tepid and very slow in coming, and I recall that annoying me at that time. They weren't howling for a resignation. They didn't bother even raising a token objection to him being "seated" in the House which had the Republicans smirking.
                  It seems AOC and John Fetterman called for Menendez to resign prior to NJ's Gov. Murphy doing so, my apologies.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Nice! Now do 200 more congresspeople.
                    This is a Senator, not a Representative (congressperson). There are only 100 Senators.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      This is a Senator, not a Representative (congressperson). There are only 100 Senators.
                      I think, technically, a "Congressperson" could be a Representative of the House or a Senator, since "Congress" is made up of both the House and the Senate.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        I think, technically, a "Congressperson" could be a Representative of the House or a Senator, since "Congress" is made up of both the House and the Senate.
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Why stop there - why not go for all 535?
                        435 in the House plus 100 in the Senate.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          I think, technically, a "Congressperson" could be a Representative of the House or a Senator, since "Congress" is made up of both the House and the Senate.
                          Traditionally a Congressperson refers to someone elected[1] to the House of Representatives whereas a Senator refers to those elected to the Senate.

                          Technically it could refer to either.



                          1. they could be appointed to fill a seat until a special election or the next election if one is upcoming

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                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            I think, technically, a "Congressperson" could be a Representative of the House or a Senator, since "Congress" is made up of both the House and the Senate.
                            Technically, yes. but generally "congressman" refers to a house member. And Starlight mentioned "200" - there are only 100 Senators in total.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                              Technically, yes. but generally "congressman" refers to a house member. And Starlight mentioned "200" - there are only 100 Senators in total.
                              I think it's a cross-over. Congressman <X> as a title refers to a house member, but as there's NOT really a word shorter than "Members of congress" congressman/people also works for the generic whole.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                                I think it's a cross-over. Congressman <X> as a title refers to a house member, but as there's NOT really a word shorter than "Members of congress" congressman/people also works for the generic whole.
                                We used to just call them "Representative" since they belonged to the House of Representatives but somewhere along the way they started getting called "Congressman" and Senators were excluded from that term.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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