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  • #16
    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
    Do you have income tax in NZ?
    Like most countries we have a variety of types of tax. Income tax is one of those yes.

    If you are going to whine that taxes fund most government spending, please give it a rest. Everyone who's older than about 5 knows that.

    I'm not sure though if you actually fully understand that government spending in turn puts the money back into the economy, and that the cash moves in a cycle around the economy, with the government thus putting back into the economy and people's pockets via spending just as much as it takes out in taxes.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Machinist View Post

      One possibility to explore is tiny houses, or 3D printed houses.
      cool stuff!
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        The government. And not having homelessness is absolutely worth it. It's absolutely great for society as a whole. 11/10 can definitely recommend.
        a lot of homelessness is not due to not having access to a home or shelter, it's because the person wants to live on the street, either because of drug use or mental illness. How do you solve that? Kidnap them?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by seer View Post

          nope...
          yay - there is a light at the end of the tunnel!
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • #20
            I'm guessing that the homeless issue in NZ isn't nearly as much of a "problem" as it is in the US - and especially California. Simply because of magnitude, not to mention proximity to any borders.

            Sort of like Martha's Vineyard declaring it has cured its homeless "problem" - by getting a hotel room for Sam.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Like most countries we have a variety of types of tax. Income tax is one of those yes.

              If you are going to whine that taxes fund most government spending, please give it a rest. Everyone who's older than about 5 knows that.

              I'm not sure though if you actually fully understand that government spending in turn puts the money back into the economy, and that the cash moves in a cycle around the economy, with the government thus putting back into the economy and people's pockets via spending just as much as it takes out in taxes.
              So the "free" housing in NZ isn't free. You are paying for it. And I see that you get that. So you might want to stop throwing that word around.

              It doesn't mean what you are implying it means.

              And I'm not whining, you imbecile. You throw the word out there, and anyone who's older than 5 knows you are wrong, so it's obvious you need correction.


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              • #22
                From a methodology standpoint, what I'd like to know is how many of the people who voted "yes" just support assisted suicide in any circumstances, which would include this.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                  yay - there is a light at the end of the tunnel!
                  Why on earth would you think that I would support such a thing in the first place?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    a lot of homelessness is not due to not having access to a home or shelter, it's because the person wants to live on the street, either because of drug use or mental illness. How do you solve that? Kidnap them?
                    I don't believe that any significant proportion would turn down rent free accommodation if it was offered. I think they idea of voluntary homelessness is mostly a myth that people who don't want to justify their choice of doing nothing to help the homeless tell themselves. We can see from the stats that homelessness is mostly about inability to afford housing because it fluctuates directly in proportion to housing affordability in cities over time.

                    In terms of the initial attempt at dealing with homelessness I would offer rent free housing to those who wanted it. If there are any who voluntarily declined that, that would be their choice.

                    Subsequent to that I would start looking at mental health funding and programs. For those who are not mentally up to living in their own accomodation by themselves, perhaps it is necessary to provide carers to aid them. But that seems a different and more complex topic.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                      I'm guessing that the homeless issue in NZ isn't nearly as much of a "problem" as it is in the US - and especially California. Simply because of magnitude, not to mention proximity to any borders.

                      Sort of like Martha's Vineyard declaring it has cured its homeless "problem" - by getting a hotel room for Sam.
                      Well if you mean there are more total people in Ca than Martha's Vineyard, that is obviously trivially true. But both the problem and capacity to deal with it are proportional to population, so considering the scale of the problem per capita is more relevant than absolute numbers of people - big cities will have more potentially homeless people but also have more resources to allocate to the problem.

                      Googling some numbers tells me that the number of houses the NZ government owns to support low income or homeless people with per capita in this country, is around 10x the per capita rate of homelessness in the US, or 3x the per capita rate in California. So that means the policy is absolutely implementable in the US.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                        I'm guessing that the homeless issue in NZ isn't nearly as much of a "problem" as it is in the US - and especially California. Simply because of magnitude, not to mention proximity to any borders.

                        Sort of like Martha's Vineyard declaring it has cured its homeless "problem" - by getting a hotel room for Sam.
                        And when they got an influx of illegal immigrants, they "solved" that homeless problem by shipping them off to make them someone else's problem. Liberal power!
                        We know J6 wasn’t peaceful because they didn’t set the building on fire.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          I don't believe that any significant proportion would turn down rent free accommodation if it was offered. I think they idea of voluntary homelessness is mostly a myth that people who don't want to justify their choice of doing nothing to help the homeless tell themselves. We can see from the stats that homelessness is mostly about inability to afford housing because it fluctuates directly in proportion to housing affordability in cities over time.

                          In terms of the initial attempt at dealing with homelessness I would offer rent free housing to those who wanted it. If there are any who voluntarily declined that, that would be their choice.

                          Subsequent to that I would start looking at mental health funding and programs. For those who are not mentally up to living in their own accomodation by themselves, perhaps it is necessary to provide carers to aid them. But that seems a different and more complex topic.
                          Then answer CD about why there is homelessness in California, which is run by liberals?

                          Starlight, most cities have low cost housing available and welfare programs available to anyone who needs it. And most cities have homeless shelters that are available to anyone who needs them. One of the reasons homeless refuse to use a shelter is because they have to give up their drug use in order to use the shelters. Many others just prefer to be on the street than in the shelters. The brother of one of my good friends spent years on the street, because he was an alcoholic. He refused to get a job because he didn't want to pay child support. My friend finally convinced him to move in with her after many years of trying. He still refused to get a job or help out and kept right on drinking (I think he stole money from my friend to pay for it, and also spent most of the time wandering around begging).

                          I have spent time downtown (where I work) talking to several homeless people when they come up to me and beg. I try to use the time to get to know them, tell them about Jesus, and see what I can do to help. I sometimes will be coming back from lunch and will give my leftovers to them. My point is that I do talk to them and a lot of them tell me they don't want to go into the nearby shelter, or they might stay there only on cold or rainy nights. And several of them are what you would call mentally ill. They will tell me that the government is out to get them, or the shelters are trying to kill them or other nonsense.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            And most cities have homeless shelters that are available to anyone who needs them. One of the reasons homeless refuse to use a shelter is because they have to give up their drug use in order to use the shelters.
                            From my experience that is the main reason. And it is not like they don't have an opportunity to get clean - I personally know one guy who went through 21 rehabs...On a side note I let a homeless guy live in my garage for most of the winter with a small heater. He died last week - 42 years old - opioid over dose...
                            Last edited by seer; 05-19-2023, 12:54 PM.
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seer View Post

                              From my experience that is the main reason. And it is not like they don't have an opportunity to get clean - I personally know one guy who went through 21 rehabs...On a side note I let a homeless guy live in my garage for most of the winter with a small heater. He died last week - 42 years old - opioid over dose...
                              Sorry to hear that.

                              PS, by drug use I was including alcohol.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by seer View Post

                                From my experience that is the main reason. And it is not like they don't have an opportunity to get clean - I personally know one guy who went through 21 rehabs...On a side note I let a homeless guy live in my garage for most of the winter with a small heater. He died last week - 42 years old - opioid over dose...
                                Most homeless people i've ever talked with don't go to shelters because of the curfews. They say they won't stay at a place where they are treated like children. I've never been able to reason with the first one though. Many of them are eaten up with a sense of entitlement. They'll freeze and starve before they would humble themselves to a curfew.

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