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    This is so evil, I don't know where to start...If this is not worth going to war over, what is...

    Trans minors protected from parents under Washington law

    OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — Minors seeking gender-affirming care in Washington will be protected from the intervention of estranged parents under a measure Gov. Jay Inslee signed into law Tuesday.

    The new law is part of a wave of legislation this year in Democratic-led states intended to give refuge amid a conservative movement in which lawmakers in other states have attacked transgender rights and limited or banned gender-affirming care for minors.

    Licensed shelters and host homes in Washington had generally been required to notify parents within 72 hours when a minor came into their care. Under the new law, facilities can instead contact the state Department of Children, Youth and Families, which could then attempt to reunify the family if feasible. Youths will also be allowed to stay at host homes — private, volunteer homes that temporarily house young people without parental permission.

    https://apnews.com/article/washingto...0law%20Tuesday.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    This is so evil, I don't know where to start...If this is not worth going to war over, what is...
    It's the entire left coast

    California has established itself as a refuge state for kids who runaway from home to come and get gender modification surgery: Newsom Signs Bill To Let California Strip Gender-Confused Teens From Parents — Even When They Live In Other States

    This bill is not about gender changing. It is about a Governor using government to KIDNAP children from other States—stealing kids from parents for his political radicalism and hate of children.

    “California Democrat Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new law Thursday night to strip rights away from parents who protest their children’s blind pursuit of destructive surgeries sold to confused minors as “gender affirmation.”

    Under Senate Bill 107 introduced by San Francisco-area State Sen. Scott Wiener, California will now become a “refuge” for trans-identifying minors who seek irreversible medical treatment for gender dysphoria. The legislation was supposedly aimed at blocking red states from enforcing laws barring extreme treatments for underage victims, and instead invited those minors to seek surgeries in California.”


    California apparently will also even take a child away from their parents and put them in foster care at a school's request so they can get "treatments."

    Abigail Martinez called the pain of losing her daughter a pain with no name. “Even when you breathe, it hurts,” she said during an event on radical gender ideology in schools.

    Her daughter, Yaeli, began struggling with depression in the seventh and eighth grades after classmates criticized her appearance. Abigail described her daughter as a “girly-girl” who liked to dress up as a princess. So, when Yaeli said one day she felt like a boy, Abigail was surprised.

    Abigail contacted the school about the bullying, and when they attributed Yaeli’s mental health issues to gender dysphoria, Abigail allowed Yaeli to adopt a boyish hairstyle and clothes. But, when Abigail wanted therapy for Yaeli’s underlying mental health issues, the school accused her of denying that Yaeli had started identifying as male in early childhood. What ensued was a wrestling match between Abigail and the government.

    After California began paying for “gender transitions” for minors who are not in their parents’ custody, Yaeli ran away, hoping to gain access.

    School officials told social services that Abigail’s daughter would be “better off out of the house.” Yaeli was put into foster care, and despite Abigail’s persistent attempts to get mental health treatment for her daughter, the system stonewalled her.

    While in foster care and on cross-sex hormones, Yaeli’s mental health further declined. In 2019, she committed suicide at only 19 years old.




    And, Oregon Wants Schools to Hide Student's Gender Identity From Parents

    The Oregon Department of Education has gone woke.

    A guide published by the Oregon Public of Education (ODE), encourages schools to hide students’ gender identity from their parents.

    In the 48-page document, the guide tells students to hide their gender identity from parents as well as pushes the woke ideology queer theory and the idea that a person can be a different gender from what they were biologically born.

    Titled, “Supporting Gender Expansive Students, Guidance for Schools,” explains what to do if students are concerned about their parents finding out about their gender preference.

    “Students who are not publicly asserting their authentic gender identity may have privacy concerns about students, school staff, community members, or their families finding out before they are ready to share their identity more widely. Parent and family support is the goal when supporting gender-expansive students, but may not be possible in all situations,” the guide reads.

    The guide cites a letter from Colt Gill, the Director of the Oregon Department of Education and Deputy Superintendent of Public Instruction, complaining about how the media “dehumanizes media coverage against gender-affirming education and healthcare.”

    The Libs of TikTok posted an email sent to staff at a middle school in Oregon Trail School District directing teachers to refer to a 7th-grade female as “they/them.”

    However, the email also asked staff to continue to refer to the students using “she/her” pronouns when talking to their parents.

    The staff member told Libs of TikTok that hiding students’ gender confusion with parents is not an unusual occurrence in the district.

    Additionally, the guide says that it will offer “gender-affirming” clothing to students who want to dress like the opposite gender they were born as without their parents knowing.

    According to Breitbart, the Oregon Department of Education was preparing to spend $2 million on developing pro “LGBTQ2SIA+” curriculum and “safer affirming spaces.”


    Among other things the Oregon Department of Education is teaching kids that they can "have the ability to change your first name in your school record and student information system, without legal documentation," but warn "Parents and guardians may have the ability to see school records."

    Parents "May have the ability" to see school records?

    Say it with me folks... Home schooling.


    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      It's the entire left coast

      I can't see how this can be legal, are parental rights no longer valid?
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post

        I can't see how this can be legal, are parental rights no longer valid?
        How do you expect the State to indoctrinate your children unless they can get them away from their parents? Come on, man!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

          How do you expect the State to indoctrinate your children unless they can get them away from their parents? Come on, man!
          So when do we fight back, I mean really fight back? I mean if they are taking our children and we sit on our hands, what won't they do?
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post

            So when do we fight back, I mean really fight back? I mean if they are taking our children and we sit on our hands, what won't they do?
            I don't have any kids but if I did, I would probably move to a remote cabin in the woods and play loud banjo music to scare away the government goons.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              I don't have any kids but if I did, I would probably move to a remote cabin in the woods and play loud banjo music to scare away the government goons.
              I'm going to knock out a front tooth, too...And have my grandson playing his banjo!

              5bbbfcf3469f3f79d2c7aac9056b1557.jpg

              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                I'm going to knock out a front tooth, too...And have my grandson playing his banjo!

                5bbbfcf3469f3f79d2c7aac9056b1557.jpg
                Lil Squint Eye sure could pick a mean banjo.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Lil Squint Eye sure could pick a mean banjo.
                  Him today...

                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    This is so evil, I don't know where to start...If this is not worth going to war over, what is...
                    So when do we fight back, I mean really fight back?
                    I think you should consider getting some counselling. You're clearly not okay.

                    I can't say I'm actually sure what you're even complaining about in this thread. Nothing in the OP seems remotely problematic and you don't really explain any issues with it.

                    But you're clearly seeking an outlet for a personal desire for violence. That's pretty concerning. You should seriously talk to someone.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      I can't say I'm actually sure what you're even complaining about in this thread. Nothing in the OP seems remotely problematic and you don't really explain any issues with it.
                      How did I know you would support the state over parental rights...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                        But you're clearly seeking an outlet for a personal desire for violence. That's pretty concerning. You should seriously talk to someone.
                        Of course you don't understand. You are a limp wristed shell of a man, void of any conviction worth dying for that matter worth living for, an obedient vassal of the state. Drained of all masculinity... I doubt if you could muster a sufficient sperm count to father a child, let alone protect that child with your life...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          How did I know you would support the state over parental rights...
                          I believe children have human rights. You are spectacularly dehumanizing them and ignoring their own role in the situation when you describe it as being a matter of it being only a matter of parental rights and the state.

                          Of course you don't understand. You are a limp wristed shell of a man, void of any conviction worth dying for that matter worth living for, an obedient vassal of the state. Drained of all masculinity... I doubt if you could muster a sufficient sperm count to father a child, let alone protect that child with your life...
                          Get help. See a counsellor.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            I believe children have human rights. You are spectacularly dehumanizing them and ignoring their own role in the situation when you describe it as being a matter of it being only a matter of parental rights and the state.
                            Then you are an idiot, the state neither knows that child or loves that child more than a parent. Especially with this experimental medical care where other countries (that have more experience than the US) are putting an end to such intervention. There is no good reason to cut the breasts off a healthy 14 year old girl, or to flood her body with hormones that are unnatural for her gender. Children can not give informed consent to such life changing procedures. And again, I have no idea what you mean by human rights, have you invented a new legal fiction?
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Then you are an idiot, the state neither knows that child or loves that child more than a parent.
                              There are parents that physically or sexually abuse their children. There are parents that kill their children.

                              The OP was about children who had run away from home. I'm sure that the vast majority of times children run away from home they are not serious about it and are just acting out and expected to be picked up by their parents within the day. But some cases are going to be more serious. Some cases are going to involve really serious rifts in the family, and potentially involve physical or sexual abuse by the parents. Some cases aren't just the kid trying to get away from home for an hour or two, but intending to be away from home permanently. Some cases are going to be the kid being permanently kicked out of their home by parents who refuse to raise them anymore.

                              Generally I think that for the sake the wellbeing of the child, if the parent is failing to provide for the kid and has kicked them out of home, or so severely abused them that the child has fled home permanently, that the state is obligated to give the child aid in such a time of need. In the past we've discussed video footage on this forum of an incident in which the parents kicked their child out of the home permanently because the child was gay. IIRC, the most statistically common reason for parents to kick children out of home in the US currently is the child being LGBT. In the OP, the article is saying that in situations with homeless children, the state will potentially attempt to contact the parents and reconcile them if that is a reasonable possibility in the situation, and otherwise will provide care towards the homeless child. That strikes me as basic morality.

                              I have no idea what you mean by human rights
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

                              Human rights are moral principles or norms[1] for certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected in municipal and international law.[2]They are commonly understood as inalienable,[3] fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings",[5] regardless of their age, ethnic origin, location, language, religion, ethnicity, or any other status.[3]... The true forerunner of human rights discourse was the concept of natural rights which appeared as part of the medieval natural law tradition that became prominent during the European Enlightenment...and which featured prominently in the political discourse of the American Revolution and the French Revolution.[6] From this foundation, the modern human rights arguments emerged over the latter half of the 20th century,[14]...
                              Eleanor_Roosevelt_UDHR.jpg
                              Eleanor Roosevelt holding the English language version of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
                              Loosely speaking, human rights are a more advanced and improved version of what you Americans would call "constitutional rights", and recognized by every country.

                              Every nation in the world has signed or ratified at least one of the nine major international treaties influenced by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which spells out basic human rights in general.

                              Similarly every nation in the world has signed or ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which spells out basic rights specific to children.

                              have you invented a new legal fiction
                              I guess one could argue all law is fiction, since laws on paper, no matter who made them, are not equivalent to reality. However, as far as legal fictions go, recognition by every country in the world is reasonably impressive. In terms of US recognition, the US constitution provides a process for US Senate voting on the ratification of treaties which makes them into a part of US law.

                              I sure can't take credit for inventing human rights, the major international declaration and affirmation of them in 1948, following the Holocaust, was long before I was born.
                              Last edited by Starlight; 05-13-2023, 06:27 AM.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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