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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    CBS execs bar the word ‘transgender’ from reports on Nashville shooter: ‘This is not journalism’

    Nope. This is not the Babylon Bee. CBS News literally forbade their reporters from using the word "Transgender" to describe the transgender Nashville shooter. smiley dolt.gif
    If the shooter was black, or jewish, or right-wing, or Christian, you wouldn't necessarily want the media talking and talking about their identity. The media going on and on about how the shooter was Christian wouldn't be viewed as more inflammatory than enlightening.

    That said, I do think it would be useful if the media more often reported on general demographic statistics. e.g. that nearly 100% of politically-motivated violence in the country is done by right-wingers; that transgender people are disproportionately, more than any other group, the victims of violent crimes and there is a massive epidemic of anti-trans hate crimes, etc.(both true, and causes for serious concern, I'm not just making them up as fictional possible examples)

    And CBS not mentioning something that's inflammatory and not necessarily relevant, is a far cry from a Fox News level of media misconduct where they went on air for years saying things about the election being stolen from Trump that they in no way believed were true and had good evidence were false.
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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      The media going on and on about how the shooter was Christian wouldn't would be viewed as more inflammatory than enlightening.
      Typo in my post above, corrected here for clarity.
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      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        If the shooter was black, or jewish, or right-wing, or Christian, you wouldn't necessarily want the media talking and talking about their identity. The media going on and on about how the shooter was Christian wouldn't be viewed as more inflammatory than enlightening.
        In this case it is relevant information in light of the proximate National Day of Pervert Vengeance, or whatever.

        In any case, there should not be deliberate silencing of that information.

        That said, I do think it would be useful if the media more often reported on general demographic statistics. e.g. that nearly 100% of politically-motivated violence in the country is done by right-wingers; that transgender people are disproportionately, more than any other group, the victims of violent crimes and there is a massive epidemic of anti-trans hate crimes, etc.(both true, and causes for serious concern, I'm not just making them up as fictional possible examples)
        I suppose it depends on how one defines "politically-motivated violence," and what are one's sources for data.
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        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          If the shooter was black, or jewish, or right-wing, or Christian, you wouldn't necessarily want the media talking and talking about their identity. The media going on and on about how the shooter was Christian wouldn't be viewed as more inflammatory than enlightening.
          Yet that is exactly what they did with the Charlottesville Rally, all we heard for weeks was that the perp was a White nationalist. And of course Trump and his followers were painted with the same brush. So spare me the outrage...

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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            That said, I do think it would be useful if the media more often reported on general demographic statistics. e.g. that nearly 100% of politically-motivated violence in the country is done by right-wingers; that transgender people are disproportionately, more than any other group, the victims of violent crimes and there is a massive epidemic of anti-trans hate crimes, etc.(both true, and causes for serious concern, I'm not just making them up as fictional possible examples)
            1. Does that include the year and a half of leftists burning cities and destroying buildings, looting and attacking cops, etc...?

            2. And where is your evidence that right wingers are attacking transgender people disproportionately?
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            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Typo in my post above, corrected here for clarity.
              It is important because the transgender side is claiming that we are trying to genocide them. When it was one of theirs that actually did the killing.
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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                CBS execs bar the word ‘transgender’ from reports on Nashville shooter: ‘This is not journalism’

                Nope. This is not the Babylon Bee. CBS News literally forbade their reporters from using the word "Transgender" to describe the transgender Nashville shooter. smiley dolt.gif
                That's not surprising sadly. I suspect many newsrooms did it.

                I'll admit I didn't follow up on NPR until yesterday so they may have mentioned it on the intervening days, but yesterday every news snippet about Nashville still contained no mentoon of the trans shooter (in contrast with various shootings where they constantly said "white shooter" like that NY shooting, etc.)
                Last edited by Gondwanaland; 04-01-2023, 07:37 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  If the shooter was black, or jewish, or right-wing, or Christian, you wouldn't necessarily want the media talking and talking about their identity. The media going on and on about how the shooter was Christian wouldn't be viewed as more inflammatory than enlightening.

                  That said, I do think it would be useful if the media more often reported on general demographic statistics. e.g. that nearly 100% of politically-motivated violence in the country is done by right-wingers; that transgender people are disproportionately, more than any other group, the victims of violent crimes and there is a massive epidemic of anti-trans hate crimes, etc.(both true, and causes for serious concern, I'm not just making them up as fictional possible examples)

                  And CBS not mentioning something that's inflammatory and not necessarily relevant, is a far cry from a Fox News level of media misconduct where they went on air for years saying things about the election being stolen from Trump that they in no way believed were true and had good evidence were false.
                  In the above cases the MSM wouldn't be bending over backwards trying to conceal how she identified herself like they did here. This can be seen how nearly every headline right after the shooting that mentioned it read along the lines of that "police identify transgender..." rather than simply "transgender" as if it was a label that the cops stuck on her rather than how she identified herself (newspaper editors are notorious for reducing descriptions to save space so that the insisted on this longer version is telling)

                  Moreover, there is reasonable reason to suspect that in this case her being trans could be part of the motive for her picking a Christian school to target for her horrendous crime. And the longer the police keep her manifesto secret after nearly immediately releasing everything else, the stronger those suspicions will be, particularly when the chief of police confirmed that the shooter's gender identity may have been a factor and she had “some resentment for having to go to that school."

                  Of course this can be cleared up with the release of the information.
                  Last edited by rogue06; 04-01-2023, 07:29 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                    That's not surprising sadly. I suspect many newsrooms did it.

                    I'll admit I didn't follow up on PBS until yesterday so they may have mentioned it on the intervening days, but yesterday every news snippet about Nashville still contained no mentoon of the trans shooter (in contrast with various shootings where they constantly said "white shooter" like that NY shooting, etc.)
                    But more like self-censorship rather than be officially ordered to do it.

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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post

                      1. Does that include the year and a half of leftists burning cities and destroying buildings, looting and attacking cops, etc...?

                      2. And where is your evidence that right wingers are attacking transgender people disproportionately?
                      One of the biggest problems with those statistics that show that most domestic terrorism is committed by conservatives is that many terroristic actions by the left are often not treated as being acts of terrorism but rather dismissed as simple crimes.

                      When a supporter of BLM shot and killed five police officers (wounding seven more along with two civilians) during a BLM protest in Dallas[1], it was dismissed as a regular crime. When another one ambushes and kills two sitting in their car in New York[2], it was again regarded as a regular crime.

                      Likewise, when a shooter entered the Family Research Council's Washington D.C. headquarters in 2012 and opening fire (because the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) had put them on their list of anti-gay "hate groups"), wounding one before being tackled by a security guard, it was regarded as a regular crime but when another idiot entered Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria also in D.C. brandishing a rifle and shooting "through the lock of a closet, damaging a computer" and where nobody was injured or even shot at (because of a false internet rumor they were part of a child sex trafficking ring) that was deemed to be part of a terrorist conspiracy.[3]

                      To better just how screwed up and out of touch with reality the data keeping really is, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the source for many right-wing terrorist acts, list the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting by Omar Mateen the most deadly Islamic terror attack since 9/11, along with the shootings of police officers by black anti-white radicals as "right-wing" plots.

                      And it isn't just the SPLC. From a thread about a supposed Christian terrorist who supposedly brought a bomb to an abortion center (In reality there isn't a shred of evidence that he was a Christian, he had actually come to apply for a job and had a couple of fire crackers in a pill bottle stuffed in his backpack and the police investigation "absolutely ruled out" any intent for anti-abortion violence), which serves as an example of what sort of stuff you can find listed as "rightwing terrorism," I posted this about another prominent source for these statistics

                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      One of the big problems is that several of the groups that keep track of political violence in the U.S., and who's statistics are uncritically used by numerous media outlets, exercise no consistency in compiling their statistics and often make unwarranted conclusions. For instance, one "expert" frequently cited by unabashedly liberal/progressive sources is Greg Correll who devised what he calls the "Right & Left Violence: Timeline" of which the following graphic has been attached on several websites.

                      image_8413.jpg

                      Aside from the fact that Correll does not assign political party (not all leftists are Democrats and not all right-wingers are Republicans), it has several significant problems. First, it assigns all racist attacks by whites to the "right" but does not assign a single racist attacks by blacks to the "left." Further every attack against Jews committed by a white person is automatically assigned to being committed by the right when in recent decades it has been the left that has become increasingly bigoted and intolerant toward Jews while the right -- specifically the religious right -- who has sought to embrace them as allies.

                      Correll also lists a large number of violent attacks committed in recent years as having been done by people on the right when even the most cursory check reveals this is not the case. A few examples.
                      • The 2014 Las Vegas shooting spree committed by Jerad and Amanda Miller in which 5 died are labelled as having been done by right-wingers who supported the Patriot movement but in reality they were leftist anti-government types heavily involved in the Occupy movement
                      • The 2009 Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting committed by James Wenneker von Brunn a racist Holocaust denier. Must have been a right-winger right? Not exactly. He was anti-Christian (wrote of "the insane teachings of Jesus" and the "hoax" of Christianity), claimed 9/11 was an inside job, hated Republicans (especially Bush, McCain and anyone he thought was a "neo-con"), loathed Fox News and was a socialist[1]. Sounds like someone more likely employed by the current Administration than any sort of conservative
                      • The 2015 Chapel Hill, North Carolina shootings committed by Craig Hicks was called an example of right wing terrorism in spite of the fact that the perpetrator was actually a a self-described militant atheist (his facebook page was loaded with photos, memes and posts that mocked Christianity) and who is a fan of MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, the websites "Mitt Romney Sucks" and "Organization for Educating Misinformed Tea Party Patriots" as well as the Southern Poverty Law Center (who IIRC was quick to call the shooting a "hate crime" since the victims were Muslim[2]) and various LGBT Ally groups. And definitely a pro-abortion supporter


                      There are other examples but these ought to suffice to make the point.




                      1. Albeit of a strange sort. He tried to distance his belief from Marxism and communism because those he declared were inspired by Jews who he despised. He explained his brand of socialism in a piece he called Kill the Best Gentiles:

                      WESTERN SOCIALISM, unlike Marxism/Communism and Capitalism, emanates not from Reason alone but from the ETHOS OF THE WEST. It expresses the instinctive and Intuitive feelings UNIQUE to the Aryan Nation.



                      2. Hicks Facebook page, which, as noted, constantly mocks Christianity, also repeatedly explicitly promotes freedom of religion for Muslims, including supporting the building of the "Ground Zero" Mosque in New York City.


                      1. the shooter had declared that he had wanted to kill white people, especially white officers and his Facebook page showed that he supported the New Black Panther Party. During the standoff he told police negotiators that "he was upset about Black Lives Matter"

                      2. the shooter himself made the connection clear posting on Instagram right before he stood outside the patrol car and fired his weapon several times through the front passenger window, striking both Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos (who were working overtime as part of an anti-terrorism drill) in the neck and head.


                      Immediately after, in Ferguson when news of the NYPD slayings hit, BLM protesters celebrated by chanting "Pigs in a blanket!" And this also took place shortly after a protest down Fifth Avenue in NYC where they were chanting "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now."

                      3. What few mention is that the conspiracy long ago left the province of lunatics on the far right and is now predominant spread by teens on TikTok "who don't otherwise fit a right-wing conspiracy theorist mold" and are largely supporters of BLM.


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                      • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                        not something I'd play but free speech is free speech.
                        No where did I say it should be banned. The point rather that we would all have heard of some indie game should it have been able to be associated with the Right. A game depicts "good" trans violence is seemingly nothing to report.
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                        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          This 100% does it include all of the stories of those coming out complaining how they were pushed into it?

                          Is this like the only 1 Democrat you claim was for defunding the police?

                          Hardly a rightwing source:

                          Source: Take Detransitioners Seriously


                          When Kristin Beck, a decorated Navy SEAL veteran, came out as a transgender woman in 2013, she became a high-profile advocate for the trans community—a role that earned her glowing coverage in left-wing and mainstream center-left media. But unless you’ve been reading right-wing websites in recent months, you might never know that Beck has since detransitioned and gone back to the name Chris Beck. Last month, Beck declared that he had “lived in hell for the past 10 years.” Most of the outlets that reported with enthusiasm on Beck’s initial transition have yet to cover the latest chapter in his life story.

                          Both of us are trans academics. One of us studies the history of trans activism; the other recently studied detransitioners’ experiences in depth. We strongly oppose efforts, in state legislatures and elsewhere, to target trans children and their families and pass laws restricting treatment options for gender dysphoria, a condition that the American Psychiatric Association’s diagnostic manual defines as impairment or distress over an incongruence between a person’s gender identity and their gender assigned at birth. But trans-rights advocates and mainstream-media outlets should stop downplaying the reality of detransition, lest readers and viewers conclude that it’s a negligible issue. It’s not.



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                          Source: The Sex-Change Lawsuits Begin


                          Chloe Cole, 18, is suing the medical professionals and facilities that aided and abetted her gender “transition” as a minor.


                          I was 15 when you cut into my body, ripped out my breasts, and stitched me back up like I was your rag doll. You are on the wrong side of history and will always be remembered as child butchers.

                          These are the powerful words of 18-year-old Chloe Cole, who was a victim of the transgender madness.

                          Cole was 13 when she started having troubles with her body. Anxiety, depression, body dysmorphia, speech difficulties, and autism characteristics greatly contributed toward her seeking a fix for her troubles. She found “answers” on social media, where “transgender” influencers led her to make a self-diagnosis. Her parents took her to Kaiser Gender Pathways Clinic in Oakland, California, for help.

                          The “help” that these medical professionals provided was the infamous “gender affirmation” method of dealing with Cole’s struggles. Perhaps if a mental health professional had talked to Cole about her life and gotten to the bottom of her struggles, this story would have ended differently. That did not happen. Cole was fast-tracked down the “gender transition” pipeline, and at age 13 she was put on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. At 15 she was butchered. Her treatment continued until her 17th year when she started her detransitioning journey.

                          Cole is on a mission to bring awareness to what was done to her. At the public announcement of a lawsuit last week, Cole declared her reasons for fighting: “Unfortunately, I am no longer alone in my pain and suffering.” I.e., other kids and their parents have reached out to her with their stories. She continued, “I am going forward in taking legal action because every second that goes by, more blood is spilled by the same individuals and medical centers that destroyed my body and childhood.”

                          Cole’s lawyer, Harmeet Dhillon, had this to say about the suit: “Chloe’s family sought medical treatment for her at Kaiser. Instead of caring for her and providing medically competent diagnoses and treatment, they permanently disfigured her for profit.”

                          Cole’s lawsuit is the first of its kind. Robert Weisenburger, an attorney who is one of Cole’s representatives, believes that lawsuits “would eliminate, in a significant way, the financial incentive to experiment on children in this way. And it would reduce the financial viability of operating these types of facilities. And successful malpractice lawsuits can affect licensure of doctors.”

                          This sentiment was shared by Dr. Stanley Goldfarb, board chair of Do No Harm, who also pointed out: “These large organizations are extraordinarily sensitive to what the lawyers tell them. That’s because most of them are self insured, so they have to put reserves down each year to cover any malpractice lawsuits that they may encounter. And if they had to now worry about a trial that might be 20 years out, for example, where they could be sued over not giving proper informed consent or not explaining the the potential complications of these gender related surgeries or medications, this would be a real chilling effect on any of these large institutions that house gender clinics.”

                          Stories of regret like Cole’s are a big part of the reason that the Tavistock Center — the UK’s largest gender clinic — shut its doors. Tavistock had been employing the “gender affirmation” method of dealing with gender-confused children for a decade. But instead of taking warning, gender clinics across these United States continue with their ideological and financially beneficial butchery of gender-confused minors.

                          Cole is the public face of these many children who are being manipulated and coerced into a life and series of medical decisions that do irreparable harm. Puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones have major side effects, and reproductive mutilation surgeries affect fertility and breastfeeding. Many minors who undergo these procedures end up regretting those decisions within five years.

                          Perhaps because she is still so young, that makes Chloe Cole such an important and powerful voice. However, it causes this mother’s heart to worry. She is still young and has a history of serious mental and emotional difficulties; the truly heinous mob of trans activists will violently threaten dissenters, as figures such as J.K. Rowling, Matt Walsh, and Libs of TikTok know firsthand.

                          Cole’s bravery in pursing this lawsuit and defying the activist mob that seeks to silence her is remarkable. She is a David facing Goliath. We wish her well and pray for her continued strength through this ordeal so that through her courageous efforts other children will be spared.



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                          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                            Chloe Cole, 18, is suing the medical professionals and facilities that aided and abetted her gender “transition” as a minor.


                            I was 15 when you cut into my body, ripped out my breasts, and stitched me back up like I was your rag doll. You are on the wrong side of history and will always be remembered as child butchers.
                            Those medical "professionals" should be in prison! And why are they still hiding the Manifesto?
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                            • Apparently the local newspaper is reporting that the school and police did everything "right" (sorry can't find an online link)...
                              - There was no unlocked side door
                              - The school had security guards
                              - Multiple teachers were armed
                              - Police arrived quickly and took immediate action

                              Kinda brings us back to the actual problem was the offender having a gun.
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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Apparently the local newspaper is reporting that the school and police did everything "right" (sorry can't find an online link)...
                                - There was no unlocked side door
                                - The school had security guards
                                - Multiple teachers were armed
                                - Police arrived quickly and took immediate action

                                Kinda brings us back to the actual problem was the offender having a gun.


                                We'll just ignore the suicide note, the manifesto, and the testosterone. The gun just shot the door open and killed the victims itself.
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