Nashville School Shooting

[Starlight]

We'll just ignore the suicide note, the manifesto, and the testosterone. The gun just shot the door open and killed the victims itself.

The victims were killed by gunshot, yes. Had the person not had a gun, the victims would almost certainly not have died.

It was a straightforward example of Americas ongoing gun ideation leading to deaths. As such, the moral responsibility for all these massacres falls on those who perpetuate the ideation and accessibility of such deadly weapons. We've also seen examples of many of them grooming kids to hold the same immoral ideations.

[seer]

The victims were killed by gunshot, yes. Had the person not had a gun, the victims would almost certainly not have died.

Would this make you happier?

2016 Nice truck attack

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 434 other

[Diogenes]

The victims were killed by gunshot, yes. Had the person not had a gun, the victims would almost certainly not have died.

It was a straightforward example of Americas ongoing gun ideation leading to deaths. As such, the moral responsibility for all these massacres falls on those who perpetuate the ideation and accessibility of such deadly weapons.

The use of guns for murder (of any kind) does not entail that law abiding citizens should be forced to guns. That would be like saying vehicular deaths would be justification to get rid of all cars. Gun deaths tend to be about 50/50 homicide/suicide with suicide being a few percentage points more than homicide. Of course, objects don't kill people, people kill people.

We've also seen examples of many of them grooming kids to hold the same immoral ideations.

It's nice to see you use the word "grooming", I take it then you will no longer have issues with the usage of the word "groomer" .

[Starlight]

Would this make you happier?

2016 Nice truck attack

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 434 other

Yes in the sense that cars/trucks are not used as mass murdering weapons remotely as often as guns. If would-be mass killers have to rely on vehicles rather than guns they will generally have a much tougher time of achieving high death counts. This particular killing in Nice is worldwide historical because usually vehicles do not achieve remotely close to such a high death count.

[Starlight]

That would be like saying vehicular deaths would be justification to get rid of all cars.

It could be. You'd have to assess the pros and cons of such an action. I think any such serious assessment would quickly find that the pros of having vehicles outweigh the cons, but the same is not true of guns.

Of course, objects don't kill people, people kill people.

False. The guns kill the people.

It's nice to see you use the word "grooming", I take it then you will no longer have issues with the usage of the word "groomer" .

I'm mocking your sociopathic use of the word.

[Diogenes]

It could be. You'd have to assess the pros and cons of such an action. I think any such serious assessment would quickly find that the pros of having vehicles outweigh the cons, but the same is not true of guns.

Hunting, self-defence, especially against multiple or stronger individuals, or just for enjoyment.

False. The guns kill the people.

Guns have no agency.

I'm mocking your sociopathic use of the word.

"Groom" meaning "to train" is a legitimate use of the word. Parents often introduce their interests to their children. To train ideologically would also work. I'd like to see evidence for my "sociopathic use" of the word.

[seer]

Yes in the sense that cars/trucks are not used as mass murdering weapons remotely as often as guns. If would-be mass killers have to rely on vehicles rather than guns they will generally have a much tougher time of achieving high death counts. This particular killing in Nice is worldwide historical because usually vehicles do not achieve remotely close to such a high death count.

Not really, just wait for the kids to go out for recess.

[Starlight]

Hunting, self-defence, especially against multiple or stronger individuals, or just for enjoyment.

Indeed. No country I am aware of bans all guns, they merely regulate them tightly so that they are not easily assessible for uses outside this list. The result is a stark difference in mass shooting figures.

Guns have no agency.

They are commonly a murder weapon. They are now the highest cause of death of kids in the US. If you even pretend to care at all about children or even pretend to be pro life in any way, you should want to see that change.

"Groom" meaning "to train" is a legitimate use of the word. Parents often introduce their interests to their children. To train ideologically would also work. I'd like to see evidence for my "sociopathic use" of the word.

The ambiguity in the word between "groom for sex" and other more mundane meanings is currently being exploited by right wing sociopaths to falsely imply pedophilic activities in a slanderous way against LGBT people. That is fundamentally slanderous, intentionally deceptive and malicious, and sociopathic to target a historically victimized group in this way. No one with a shred of moral fiber would do any such thing or find it remotely acceptable.

[Starlight]

Not really, just wait for the kids to go out for recess.

The ability of people in general to get out of the way of moving vehicles would make them a poor weapon in such circumstances, even if the would be killer had managed to get a vehicle into a playground area.

The only reason the death count in Nice was remotely that high was due to the people being crammed together in a crowd and it being on a street. I believe the authorities there have taken some basic actions to prevent a reoccurrence, such as installing bollards around areas where pedestrians crowd so that vehicles can't be used in this way again.

[Gondwanaland]

False. The guns kill the people.

Nope people kill people. I've had guns since I was a young kiddo. Never once has one of them walked over and shot someone.

[Diogenes]

Indeed. No country I am aware of bans all guns, they merely regulate them tightly so that they are not easily assessible for uses outside this list. The result is a stark difference in mass shooting figures.

Those countries tend to be smaller than the US and have a much different culture.

They are commonly a murder weapon.

And when they are people tend to be put in jail and their ability to legal own firearms is taken away. The actions of those individuals does not impact the rights of others.

They are now the highest cause of death of kids in the US. If you even pretend to care at all about children or even pretend to be pro life in any way, you should want to see that change.

The "right to life" is historically a negative right and I doubt you actually care about the lives of children. I'm pro-choice, pro-2A, and pro-capital punishment though with a high evidentiary bar. I have no problem accepting the fact society is about balances. Mass shootings are in the news constantly because they happen everyday. Death

Some Data:

• 20,958 gun related homicides per the CDC (2021)
• 702 deaths from mass shooting deaths per The Trace (2021)
• ~3.35% of firearm homicides are due mass shootings
• 36,355 vehicular deaths (2019)
• Since facts are somehow homophobic, 25,128 new HIV diagnoses in males (2020)

~21K homicides vs the rights of millions of law abiding citizens. I don't see the justification for the inevitable extreme gun control measures like the individuals up north who don't have the right to self-defence.

The ambiguity in the word between "groom for sex" and other more mundane meanings is currently being exploited by right wing sociopaths to falsely imply pedophilic activities in a slanderous way against LGBT people. That is fundamentally slanderous, intentionally deceptive and malicious, and sociopathic to target a historically victimized group in this way.

If I use the term, it's typically within a pedagogical context although there are influential individuals would likely (and some who have) advocate the lowing of the age of consent laws and it tended to revolve around homosexual relations, Michael Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Pat Califa, to name a few. There are even reports pro-pædophilia groups within pride parades in Germany. In the past, Berlin actively placed homeless children with known pædophiles. Also, pride parades attendees have no problem with fetish-themed marchers in front of children. Minors are also being targeted with the development of sexual agency under the guise of "sexual agency". I would agree though most on the right who use the term "groomer" are doing so ignorantly of the actual history. Note of course you're not demonstrating my alleged "sociopathic use" of the term. I'm also not a "right-winger" .

No one with a shred of moral fiber would do any such thing or find it remotely acceptable.

You making moral condemnations is quite comical.

[rogue06]

Would this make you happier?

2016 Nice truck attack

On the evening of 14 July 2016, a 19-tonne cargo truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 434 other

More to the point, as Ronson noted earlier, by far the worst U.S. school massacre didn't involve a gun.

[Gondwanaland]

Those countries tend to be smaller than the US and have a much different culture.





And when they are people tend to be put in jail and their ability to legal own firearms is taken away. The actions of those individuals does not impact the rights of others.





The "right to life" is historically a negative right and I doubt you actually care about the lives of children. I'm pro-choice, pro-2A, and pro-capital punishment though with a high evidentiary bar. I have no problem accepting the fact society is about balances. Mass shootings are in the news constantly because they happen everyday. Death

Some Data:

• 20,958 gun related homicides per the CDC (2021)
• 702 deaths from mass shooting deaths per The Trace (2021)
• ~3.35% of firearm homicides are due mass shootings
• 36,355 vehicular deaths (2019)
• Since facts are somehow homophobic, 25,128 new HIV diagnoses in males (2020)

~21K homicides vs the rights of millions of law abiding citizens. I don't see the justification for the inevitable extreme gun control measures like the individuals up north who don't have the right to self-defence.

If I use the term, it's typically within a pedagogical context although there are influential individuals would likely (and some who have) advocate the lowing of the age of consent laws and it tended to revolve around homosexual relations, Michael Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Pat Califa, to name a few. There are even reports pro-pædophilia groups within pride parades in Germany. In the past, Berlin actively placed homeless children with known pædophiles. Also, pride parades attendees have no problem with fetish-themed marchers in front of children. Minors are also being targeted with the development of sexual agency under the guise of "sexual agency". I would agree though most on the right who use the term "groomer" are doing so ignorantly of the actual history. Note of course you're not demonstrating my alleged "sociopathic use" of the term. I'm also not a "right-winger" .





You making moral condemnations is quite comical.

And onet thing to note - that 21k gun related homicides also should be weighed against gun related defense stats. Even Obama's own CDC study at its lowest estimate, found there to be around 300,000 defensive gun uses every year. That's an order of magnitude above gun related homicides

[Starlight]

Those countries tend to be smaller than the US and have a much different culture.

That's a weird response given my reference was to the entire rest of the world in general.

Yes, the US is quite a big country... so what? We don't tend to say "well it's a big country, so we shouldn't have a law against murder here, like we would in small countries".

As for different culture, every country has a culture slightly different to every other country. So it's kind of a trivial statement to say the US has a different culture to other countries.

Mass shootings are in the news constantly because they happen everyday.

Yes, that's the problem.

~21K homicides vs the rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

You think the lives of 21K people are worth everyone having guns? Seriously? Sorry, that's just off the charts moronic, deranged, and psychopathic in my books.

If I use the term, it's typically within a pedagogical context although there are influential individuals would likely (and some who have) advocate the lowing of the age of consent laws and it tended to revolve around homosexual relations, Michael Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Pat Califa, to name a few.

Your obsession with the topic is weird and worrying.

You making moral condemnations is quite comical.

Indeed, I probably waste my time condemning the deplorables on this site. It's a bit comical, like visiting hell and telling satan he's a bad person, an exercise in sheer pointlessness.

[Starlight]

And onet thing to note - that 21k gun related homicides also should be weighed against gun related defense stats. Even Obama's own CDC study at its lowest estimate, found there to be around 300,000 defensive gun uses every year. That's an order of magnitude above gun related homicides

So, in all the countries that those people weren't carrying guns to defend themselves with... in those 300,000 defensive gun use incidents the victims would have died instead?

How would you square this with other Western countries, who lack that defensive gun use ability, having crime and murder rates lower than the US and higher life expectancies?